Locks and Security
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Oh and this was the cheapest Sold Secure Silver chain I could find (already had bought a d-lock):
Magnum Plus 85cm Chain Bike Lock from Halfords Price £34.99
Magnum Plus 85cm Chain Bike Lock from Halfords Price £34.99
The best I have found is the MAGNUM UL1 , tested and approved by ART, with 16mm D and 107mmx260mm (so very heavy!) at a wonderful price of less
16 EUROS (with delivery in UK!) :
https://www.bike24.net/1.php?content=8;product=1974;pid=0;mid=0;ID=c819ac277f8f1981ea364f3cc8d03338
16 EUROS (with delivery in UK!) :
https://www.bike24.net/1.php?content=8;product=1974;pid=0;mid=0;ID=c819ac277f8f1981ea364f3cc8d03338
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I recently decided to get some insurance to cover for theft and third party (just in case 
) from ETA - ETA | Join the drive for greener motoring
On the last page of the on-line policies (pdf documents) there's a list of approved locks - Cycle Insurance Policies | ETA
Just so happens two of my three locks is on the list so no need to buy any further locks. As these listed locks are approved for insurance purposes it's probably a good place to start
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) from ETA - ETA | Join the drive for greener motoringOn the last page of the on-line policies (pdf documents) there's a list of approved locks - Cycle Insurance Policies | ETA
Just so happens two of my three locks is on the list so no need to buy any further locks. As these listed locks are approved for insurance purposes it's probably a good place to start
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That list is from Sold secure and should not be regarded as a list of the best locks, or even a list of good locks. Sold secure is run by lock manufacturers and the conflict of interest makes it unreliable, they have previously given top ratings to locks that can be opened by a child in under a minute. Strangely it also doesn't include Kryptonites flagship bicycle lock (Kryptonite's words) but does include ones that Kryptonite rates as less secure. Trading Standards investigated them but due to a play on words they get away with their misleading advertising, saying they can't brake a lock with common tools is not the same as saying a lock can't be broken with common tools.I recently decided to get some insurance to cover for theft and third party (just in case
On the last page of the on-line policies (pdf documents) there's a list of approved locks - Cycle Insurance Policies | ETA
Just so happens two of my three locks is on the list so no need to buy any further locks. As these listed locks are approved for insurance purposes it's probably a good place to start
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Please do your own research on the lock you want to buy and don't believe Sold Secure or Thatcham, they are both poor. It's unfortunate when a lazy insurance company says you need one of them.
It's quite frightening to spend some time on you tube seeing cheap locks being opened with a biro top in 30 sec.
the_killjoy posted:
It's quite frightening to spend some time on you tube seeing cheap locks being opened with a biro top in 30 sec.
I've seen the You Tube video’s your on about but it should be remembered they are “for camera” presentations and not true to life. I have a set of 2ft long bolt croppers and I've not found a lock "yet" that can beat them. However, if I carry them people notice me (not very good for a thief – look at me!!) and I wouldn’t like to carry them far as they are really heavy. Also, I have a set of "lock picks" and have used them several times to open locks when keys have been lost. However, even with my limited knowledge it's not easy. So the lock picked in seconds is also a “for camera” presentation.
Mussels posted:
.... Trading Standards investigated them but due to a play on words they get away with their misleading advertising, saying they can't brake a lock with common tools is not the same as saying a lock can't be broken with common tools ....
I can see Mussels point here, but one thing sticks out for me. People being people, there will always be the case of owners loosing their keys or forgetting their combinations. So the locksmith has to do his bit with his uncommon tools. So ALL locks inherently need a weakness (in a professional sense) otherwise the streets would be filled with locked cycles that no one can unlock
As always it's best to get lots of advice then make your own mind up.
In my own case; my bike is insured with ETA and fitted with two approved locks. So if it's locked and some asswipe steals it (using common or uncommon tools) I am covered - I'm happy with that
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It's quite frightening to spend some time on you tube seeing cheap locks being opened with a biro top in 30 sec.
I've seen the You Tube video’s your on about but it should be remembered they are “for camera” presentations and not true to life. I have a set of 2ft long bolt croppers and I've not found a lock "yet" that can beat them. However, if I carry them people notice me (not very good for a thief – look at me!!) and I wouldn’t like to carry them far as they are really heavy. Also, I have a set of "lock picks" and have used them several times to open locks when keys have been lost. However, even with my limited knowledge it's not easy. So the lock picked in seconds is also a “for camera” presentation.
Mussels posted:
.... Trading Standards investigated them but due to a play on words they get away with their misleading advertising, saying they can't brake a lock with common tools is not the same as saying a lock can't be broken with common tools ....
I can see Mussels point here, but one thing sticks out for me. People being people, there will always be the case of owners loosing their keys or forgetting their combinations. So the locksmith has to do his bit with his uncommon tools. So ALL locks inherently need a weakness (in a professional sense) otherwise the streets would be filled with locked cycles that no one can unlock
As always it's best to get lots of advice then make your own mind up.
In my own case; my bike is insured with ETA and fitted with two approved locks. So if it's locked and some asswipe steals it (using common or uncommon tools) I am covered - I'm happy with that
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Round locks are easy to open with a Berol fibre tip, no special tools or skill required.
Forgotten keys aren't a problem as a grinder will open the locks but it created far more noise and attention than a thief would want, there is no need for manufacturers to provide a back door to open their locks. Bolt crops are easy to carry in a van and if you park in the same place each day it's easy for them to be prepared.
I remember seeing security camera footage on TV some while ago where the bike thief had long bolt croppers inside his coat. With coat opened he had cut through the chain in moments with the cropper back under his coat as he rode off, obviously something he was practised at doing.
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Although round locks are mean to be easy to unlock I have one on a wall lock I cannot open so am waiting to borrow an angle grinder.
( I had just finished rebuilding my son's bike and locked it up when he told me he had lost the key )
( I had just finished rebuilding my son's bike and locked it up when he told me he had lost the key
)Do you think Santa uses approved locks on his sleigh, while he pops in to drop off the presents?
I suppose he's got no worries, after all, he's a skilled house breaker (been doing it for years) and should he not be able to find his lock keys I'm sure he'll be able to find a pair of bolt croppers or even a Berol fibre tip among the presents to use
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I suppose he's got no worries, after all, he's a skilled house breaker (been doing it for years) and should he not be able to find his lock keys I'm sure he'll be able to find a pair of bolt croppers or even a Berol fibre tip among the presents to use
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