More Seizures

[Nealh]

A fine and six points on your licence in this article and it's far from the first I have read of the same occurring to other riders caught.

MSN

Incorrectly they still use the no load speed test to evaluate the max speed.
As the plod states par-se kit bikes aren't illegal and speed devices aka throttle aren't illegal if one has to pedal to get power, so another tick for KT's with P4/1 &C4/3 setting.

 

[lenny]

Eight illegal e-bikes seized by police in Coventry

The bikes are confiscated in an operation in Coventry city centre.

www.bbc.co.uk

Man charged after e-bike seized in town centre

A man has been charged with drug and driving offences after being stopped by police in Bury town centre.

www.burytimes.co.uk

https://www.falkirkherald.co.uk/news/crime/bonnybridge-e-bike-tykes-traced-and-charged-with-drugs-and-road-traffic-offences-5303220

 

[Sparksandbangs]

Nice to see a Police Officer so clued up on the law.

270K views · 1.5K reactions | Why Humberside Police are seizing these electric vehicles ❌ | BBC Humberside

Why Humberside Police are seizing these electric vehicles ❌.

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[saneagle]

Nice to see a Police Officer so clued up on the law.

270K views · 1.5K reactions | Why Humberside Police are seizing these electric vehicles ❌ | BBC Humberside

Why Humberside Police are seizing these electric vehicles ❌.

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I'd like to know how the guy managed to cram a 560KWh battery into a frame bag. At 15 w/mile, he'd get a range of 37,300 miles. Joking aside, it shows what we're up against. Some cops can be extremely arogant. Can you imagine trying to argue it out with one who has it completely wrong, like that guy?

 

[Sparksandbangs]

I'd like to know how the guy managed to cram a 560KWh battery into a frame bag. At 15 w/mile, he'd get a range of 37,300 miles. Joking aside, it shows what we're up against. Some cops can be extremely arogant. Can you imagine trying to argue it out with one who has it completely wrong, like that guy?

Unfortunately, yes I can. Not with ebikes but COVID restrictions. Explaining that I was working and had the documentation to prove it fell on deaf ears.

Also pointing out that if I was breaking the law then so was he as we both had legitimate reasons to be there didn't really help matters. After half an hour of discussions I was given words of advice, which I took to mean either I was right and he wasn't going to admit it or like me he had just lost the will to live and couldn't be bothered any more.

 

[saneagle]

Unfortunately, yes I can. Not with ebikes but COVID restrictions. Explaining that I was working and had the documentation to prove it fell on deaf ears.

Also pointing out that if I was breaking the law then so was he as we both had legitimate reasons to be there didn't really help matters. After half an hour of discussions I was given words of advice, which I took to mean either I was right and he wasn't going to admit it or like me he had just lost the will to live and couldn't be bothered any more.

Police always want to finish interactions with words of advice. I think they're trained that they must do that as a minimum. Here, AY_Audits shows how to deal with that. I don't know how he gets away with what he does. His card must be marked by every police force in the country for what he does. Maybe he has friends in high places:

CLASSIC ADVICE FROM AY AUDITS #pinac #migrantcrisis #police #policeconstable #ukpolitics

Enjoy the videos and music that you love, upload original content and share it all with friends, family and the world on YouTube.

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[Nealh]

It is endemic with plod training , they think they are and at times above the law so must have the final say, with their bad attitude and how they deal with the public it is no wonder there is little respect .

As we know with EAPC law some have very little idea and the ones who think they have, still get the wheel speed test completely wrong.

 

[Nealh]

Though not the UK mainland , in N. Ireland a magistrate in Derry has given a rider a meaningless three year driving ban for a D&D offence on a scooter. No ins or licence , he also received a £400 fine, there was no mention of confiscation but one assumes so.

 

[lenny]

'Adapted' e-bike seized - with rider caught with no insurance | The Purbeck Gazette | In Print & Online

An adapted e-bike will now be destroyed by police after officers spotted it on on Burton Road in Charminster yesterday morning.

purbeckgazette.co.uk

10 illegal e-bikes and e-scooters seized in Preston as police crackdown on anti-social behaviour

https://www.lep.co.uk/news/10-illegal-e-bikes-and-e-scooters-seized-in-preston-as-police-crackdown-on-anti-social-behaviour-5311667

Police seize e-bike after 16-year-old boy caught speeding at 36mph

POLICE have seized an e-bike after a teenager was caught riding it illegally.

www.knutsfordguardian.co.uk

£1.3m seizure of illegal electric vehicles at port

Illegal electric vehicles seized at Port of Felixstowe - BBC News

The bikes, scooters and motorbikes were found to be "dangerous", according to trading standards.

www.bbc.com

 

[lenny]

Woman 'shell-shocked' after electric bike taken away and destroyed

Furious business owner plans complaint after police seize her bike

A Wirral business owner plans to make an official complaint to police after her 'vital' electric bike was taken from a supermarket car park and…

www.wirralglobe.co.uk

 

[lenny]

Forensic spray to help North Wales Police pursue e-bike offenders

Officers hope the initiative will crack down on the illegal use of e-bikes and scooters.

feeds.bbci.co.uk

 

[Sparksandbangs]

Woman 'shell-shocked' after electric bike taken away and destroyed

I'm amazed they could see it with all that camouflage attached.

 

[Kev_w]

A question if I may, 'max speed'? I'm seeing on a few of these seizure posts, my bike has a compact display, it will show odo, ave and trip distance by cycling the 'i' button on the bar controller, to view maximum speed you need the dealer software, and I've had a wind assisted 31kilometers/ph fastest, it'd be nice to have a line to use when discussing the bike with the copper!

 

[saneagle]

A question if I may, 'max speed'? I'm seeing on a few of these seizure posts, my bike has a compact display, it will show odo, ave and trip distance by cycling the 'i' button on the bar controller, to view maximum speed you need the dealer software, and I've had a wind assisted 31kilometers/ph fastest, it'd be nice to have a line to use when discussing the bike with the copper!

Firstly, there is no speed limit for any bike. I regularly go over 40 mph on mine down steep hills. The limit only applies to the motor, which must cut-off above 25 km/hr, and there's a +10% tolerance on that for measuring accuracy, so non-compliance can only be judged at 27.5 km/hr.

Secondly, the LCD is not a calibrated device, so cannot be used to determine speed for any legal process, like confiscation or prosecution. Some people don't even set them up right with the wheel size or number of magnets in the motor, so the readings are wildly out. There is no obligation to have an accurate speedometer on an ebike, so whatever you have cannot be used against you. If any police officer attempts to read your LCD, tell them not to waste there time because it's not an accurate device, and any speed it shows is meaningless and cannot be used in any court.

In most cases, the seized bikes have other issues that make them illegal, like independent throttles, no chain or no labelling. Presumably, the police are only mentioning speeds indicated for reasons of publicity and support. It sounds much better to say that they seized the bike because it showed 80 mph on the display, rather than it was missing a label.

The problem is that many police do not understand stuff like calibration, accuracy, sensor pulses and wheel sizes. It's like anything: People see a number on a screen, so they believe it instead of questioning the process that brought the number on the screen, like those cheap Chinese smart watches that show heartbeat, blood oxygen, etc. They just show random numbers based on movement or something like that. You would never know unless you checked them against an accurate device.

 

[Kev_w]

Firstly, there is no speed limit for any bike. I regularly go over 40 mph on mine down steep hills. The limit only applies to the motor, which must cut-off above 25 km/hr, and there's a +10% tolerance on that for measuring accuracy, so non-compliance can only be judged at 27.5 km/hr.

Secondly, the LCD is not a calibrated device, so cannot be used to determine speed for any legal process, like confiscation or prosecution. Some people don't even set them up right with the wheel size or number of magnets in the motor, so the readings are wildly out. There is no obligation to have an accurate speedometer on an ebike, so whatever you have cannot be used against you. If any police officer attempts to read your LCD, tell them not to waste there time because it's not an accurate device, and any speed it shows is meaningless and cannot be used in any court.

In most cases, the seized bikes have other issues that make them illegal, like independent throttles, no chain or no labelling. Presumably, the police are only mentioning speeds indicated for reasons of publicity and support. It sounds much better to say that they seized the bike because it showed 80 mph on the display, rather than it was missing a label.

The problem is that many police do not understand stuff like calibration, accuracy, sensor pulses and wheel sizes. It's like anything: People see a number on a screen, so they believe it instead of questioning the process that brought the number on the screen, like those cheap Chinese smart watches that show heartbeat, blood oxygen, etc. They just show random numbers based on movement or something like that. You would never know unless you checked them against an accurate device.

Thanks for that! It's confidence building as at some point I'm expecting to have to explain myself, even though there's a very hard to read 'EPAC' sticker/plate on the back of the seat tube facing the wheel

We've not had a clamp down in our town yet, but from watching a guy on a fat wheeled bike throttling his way along a pedestrianised shopping centre footpath would expect one at some point.

 

[Waspy]

Woman 'shell-shocked' after electric bike taken away and destroyed

Furious business owner plans complaint after police seize her bike

A Wirral business owner plans to make an official complaint to police after her 'vital' electric bike was taken from a supermarket car park and…

www.wirralglobe.co.uk

I was interested in what could be illegal about this bike, so on reading the article it is revealed that the bike is a Samebike.

I had a look at their website and all their bikes have 250W motors.

They also all have a throttle.

Digging deeper into the website, I found this page:

https://samebike.com/blogs/ebikes/pedal-assist-vs-throttle

So, turns out all their bikes have independent throttles, no need for pedalling.

Got her bang to rights.

How the police knew this while the bike was locked up outside a supermarket is unknown.

Maybe they read the same bit of the website as I did.

The journalist who wrote the article said this:

"According to Samebike's website their electric bikes can be legal in the UK and EU if they meet the criteria for electrically assisted pedal cycles (EAPC), which means they must have a maximum motor power of 250W, provide assistance only when pedalling, and cut out at 25 km/h (15.5 mph)."

This is true, they CAN be legal in the UK.... if you remove the throttle, something they choose not to inform their UK customers no doubt.

 

[esuark]

How the police knew this while the bike was locked up outside a supermarket is unknown.

They probably used their phones to verify just like you did.
I have seen a few grey haired older people now riding about not pedaling keeping up with town traffic or on the pavement no helmet probably thinking this is a good way to get about and oblivious to the rules. A rude awakening beckons.

 

[Sparksandbangs]

They probably used their phones to verify just like you did.
I have seen a few grey haired older people now riding about not pedaling keeping up with town traffic or on the pavement no helmet probably thinking this is a good way to get about and oblivious to the rules. A rude awakening beckons.

I suspect that there is more to this story. Same journey everyday. Probably has been spotted previously shooting about or a member of the public has made a complaint.

The Samebike website insinuates that their products are legal in the UK/EUand have a certificate of conformity. If they do have a full throttle there must be a case for false advertising.

Are samebike electric bikes legal in Europe and UK?
1) Maximum Speed: The default speed setting upon purchase aligns with EU/UK regulations at 25KM/H.

2) Maximum Power: The default motor power aligns with EU/UK regulations at 250W.

3) Product COC Certification: All SAMEBIKE models have obtained CE and UKCA certifications from the EU's ECM institution, ensuring full compliance with legal standards.

 

[saneagle]

I was interested in what could be illegal about this bike, so on reading the article it is revealed that the bike is a Samebike.

I had a look at their website and all their bikes have 250W motors.

They also all have a throttle.

Digging deeper into the website, I found this page:

https://samebike.com/blogs/ebikes/pedal-assist-vs-throttle

So, turns out all their bikes have independent throttles, no need for pedalling.

Got her bang to rights.

How the police knew this while the bike was locked up outside a supermarket is unknown.

Maybe they read the same bit of the website as I did.

The journalist who wrote the article said this:

"According to Samebike's website their electric bikes can be legal in the UK and EU if they meet the criteria for electrically assisted pedal cycles (EAPC), which means they must have a maximum motor power of 250W, provide assistance only when pedalling, and cut out at 25 km/h (15.5 mph)."

This is true, they CAN be legal in the UK.... if you remove the throttle, something they choose not to inform their UK customers no doubt.

Don't forget that some "throttles" can be set to only allow 6km/hr, and some can be set to only give power when pedalling. That includes the one fitted to the Samebike 20LVXD, which looks like what she had. The 750w ones all have fat tyres.

Either the police made a massive mistake or her bike was an direct import with a motor marked 350w or whatever, like this one:

SAMEBIKE 20LVXD30-II City Electric Bike 350W Motor

SAMEBIKE 20LVXD30 e-bike seems to offer several convenient and practical features for commuters and cyclists. Here's a breakdown of the key features you've mentioned: Foldable Design: The e-bike can be folded up, making it easy to transport and store. This eliminates the need for a separate bike...

alloybike.co.uk

 

[Waspy]

I suspect that there is more to this story. Same journey everyday. Probably has been spotted previously shooting about or a member of the public has made a complaint.

The Samebike website insinuates that their products are legal in the UK/EUand have a certificate of conformity. If they do have a full throttle there must be a case for false advertising.

This is a screengrab from Samebike website.

So, they need to make their minds up, are they legal or not.