New wisper bike models........

winterdog

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im sure there are probably some threads i just need to find for this
but, i was going to see (as most of my journy is on private roads) if i can over amp the current motor or replace the motor/controler so i can get closer to 30mph, as pushing above the speed of the moter becomes quite hard (and im tring not to sweat to much on the way to work).
 

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Light weight bike

Thanks, David. Could you give any details about the Wisper kit? As you might have gathered from a different thread which I started, I'm keen to have a Wisper, but want a light one. If you're not going to produce a lighter Wisper, then I'll have to make my own!
Hi Andy, thanks for the interest.

As Eddie says, the battery and motor are what makes up the weight of any electric bike. The only way to reduce this is to use a small battery and low power motor. The 905 range has an alloy, frame, rims, bars, etc so would be considered quite a light weight bike without the electronics.

All the best David
 

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Legal?

I thought David was taking advice on it first? Just because another manufacturer has said they are legal doesn't make it so.
The legal requirement in the UK is very certainly 250W rated, the question is what does that mean and who can test it.

The 500W will be sold as an off road kit, but we will strive to find out if we can call it legal.

All the best David
 

rog_london

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I thought David was taking advice on it first? Just because another manufacturer has said they are legal doesn't make it so.
This is turning into such an old chestnut! Take any motor (even a sewing machine motor), and stick a label on it, and that's the rating. What the in-use rating depends on is duty cycle, cooling, internal shaft and bearing sizes, applied voltage, control equipment if appropriate, etc. - you name it, all of those things come into the equation.

So, you could take a motor and connect it to a 24 volt supply and find it won't draw more than 250 watts in use - the same motor on 36 volts might draw 500 watts under load - and the same motor on 48 volts might draw 1kW, and because of the dirty great heat sink fins it'll do that all day, as long as the batteries hold out. What's the rating? Stick a label saying 24V 250 watts on it, and nobody could argue. You want to run it on 48 volts? Go ahead! We (the mythical manufacturers) don't specify it at that voltage in this application, so it's perfectly OK for granny's shopper.

That's the 'problem' from the engineering viewpoint, put as simply as possible. You might be in with a chance if you specified a particular controller and supply voltage, but you still leave the door open for serious overdriving of one kind or another, by upping the supply voltage and/or mix 'n' matching a suitable controller, as long as the motor is up to it.

The danger from our viewpoint would be if someone produced an e-bike which obviously exceeds 15mph by a wide margin on the flat with no pedalling, which would get 'noticed'. Generally, though, unless and until battery technology makes a quantum leap in terms of capacity versus weight, it's all fairly self-regulating, as you can easily 'do' 30mph like that with present technology, but the range will be impracticably short. It's not linear either - double the speed, divide the range by four or five. That sort of thing. Also, how long would your battery survive that sort of treatment? Don't go there. I know these bikes exist - but they're a very minority market. Personally, I hope for all our sakes that the present design boundaries don't get pushed too far.

Rog.
 
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Bigbee

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I dont know who " we " are,but imho the e-ebike industry has to hide under the current regulations and not push the boundaries.One of the points of our products are tax free exeptions to road fees,this government is hungry to tax my old shoes with new laces
 

rog_london

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I dont know who " we " are,but imho the e-ebike industry has to hide under the current regulations and not push the boundaries.One of the points of our products are tax free exeptions to road fees,this government is hungry to tax my old shoes with new laces
I was speaking figuratively! I'm not a manufacturer - I was just trying to illustrate the point. I just can't see the motor rating ever being an issue which would be pinned down in a precise way as it's a total variable depending on many other factors outside the control of the motor manufacturer, who will strive to provide a reliable product for the intended purpose - which will no doubt include a generous design which will happily function above the legal specification - whatever that may be!

Rog.
 

Tiberius

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... I just can't see the motor rating ever being an issue which would be pinned down in a precise way as it's a total variable depending on many other factors outside the control of the motor manufacturer....

Rog.
This is why its such a difficult topic, and its the details of other legislation that are important. For instance: Is it a case of one of us being able to sit there twiddling our thumbs and saying - "go on, prove its a 251 W motor". Or is it a case of the prosecution saying "do you have form X14C? I thought not. Do not pass go; do not collect £200."

Nick
 

Alex728

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the impression I've got from monitoring laws in other nations is that e-bikes only "got noticed" in a bad way when people rode in stupid ways on high speed converted bikes and others (pedestrians/other cyclists) got knocked down. Then the traffic authorities start asking questions and setting regulations.

the reason some East/SE Asian nations have even stricter laws than us wasn't because they make rules for the fun of it, but the first generation of ebikes also spawned all sorts of high-power Chinese conversions (a bit like "gary boy" or "Ah Beng" culture but with e-bikes) and a fair few accidents happened.
 

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I thought it was on this thread but its not, from memory:eek: £295?

From what I remember it is still "legal" so restricted to 15 mph with a 20 mph max. but with much more torque for getting up hills.
Unfortunately Eddie the law is 25kph or 15.5mph limit. No ifs and buts :( .

Regards David