Pedelec cutout switch

bode

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After a bit of research and experimentation, I have put a switch into the pedelec sensor circuit on my bike. I used an old motorbike handlebar switch given to me by a friend, which is perfect.

I am therefore now able easily to select between various modes: pedalling only, pedelec, pedalling with throttle assistance, or throttle only. This, coupled with the fact that there is a full/low power switch, makes for a lot of flexibility.

I find that, as I had hoped, it is useful to be able to use pedelec mode whilst going up hills, and not having to bother with the throttle whilst changing gears (on my bike the gearchange is on the same side as the throttle); whilst when going along on the flat, it is good to be able to rely mainly on pedal power, with a little judicious help from the throttle when wanted, and without the motor insisting on boosting every single pedal turn when not needed! Of course, it does not stop me from cruising with throttle power only when I want to take it easy.

I also found on my first full test run that I got an extra 5 miles from the battery.

I suppose that this modification is a bit illegal under current regulations, since it makes it possible to disable the pedal assist mode whilst retaining the throttle (in future, presumably, bikes will no longer have throttles, so the temptation to do this will not be there). I think this is a shame, because, for the reasons detailed above, it makes for a far more efficient use of power.

As a footnote, I got into this project whilst trying to persuade my wife to take up e-biking. She did not like the feeling of the bike running away with her, as she described it, when the pedelec effect cut in. After some experiments, I found I tended to agree with her, in some circumstances, anyway. Hence the above.
However, unfortunately, even now, I cannot persuade her to get an e-bike too. Though she has conceded that she may deign to borrow mine occasionally!
 

flecc

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Nice mod Bode, but don't worry about the legality. Any existing bike having a throttle control will remain legal after any change in the laws and this has been confirmed by the DfT.

There's no distinction on whether the throttle is a modification or original equipment, they will remain legal on any existing bike using one.
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bode

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I thought that a legal e-bike had to be a pedelec; or does it not matter if that mode is capable of being switched off, as on mine now?
 

flecc

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Under EU law only pedelec is permissible, with throttles only allowed to operate when pedalling, but that law was never properly implemented here due to the failure of the civil service to cancel the British legislation. It's been ruled by the DfT that the latter still holds, only a test case able to overrule it, a very unlikely event. The British law permits throttle only control and also doesn't require the power to phase down as speed approaches 15 mph.

The legal mess is due to be sorted within the next couple of years and that will then leave us only with the EU law. However, as I've said, existing vehicles will not be affected by that change. The position is the same as that of older cars which have no seat belt mountings or even older cars which have semaphore direction indicators, they just carry on as they are.
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RichardW

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Your modification sounds exactly what I am looking for for my PoweredBicycles Mantra. At the moment I have three options, Off, Pedelec, Pedelec plus Twistgrip. What I really want is Off, Pedelec, Twistgrip. Am I right in understanding that this is what you have achieved? If so, could you give me a bit more detail.
Many thanks
Richard
 

NRG

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bode

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May 14, 2008
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Your modification sounds exactly what I am looking for for my PoweredBicycles Mantra. At the moment I have three options, Off, Pedelec, Pedelec plus Twistgrip. What I really want is Off, Pedelec, Twistgrip. Am I right in understanding that this is what you have achieved? If so, could you give me a bit more detail.
Many thanks
Richard
Sorry; I have only just spotted your post. Yes, what you say you want is exactly what I achieved.
Basically, all I did was to identify the wire to the sensor from the controller (below the battery on my bike), and break into it using simple snap-type connectors, to which I ran a lead from the handlebar on/off switch.
 
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timidtom

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. The British law permits throttle only control and also doesn't require the power to phase down as speed approaches 15 mph.

The legal mess is due to be sorted within the next couple of years and that will then leave us only with the EU law.

The ability to use the throttle from a standing start is the feature that enables my wife to safely continue cycling. Joyce has hip and knee problems which, without assistance, give a very wobbly start - dangerous in traffic. With the use of the throttle she glides away smoothly.
I rather expect she ain't the only one!
Tom.
 

daniel.weck

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The ability to use the throttle from a standing start is the feature that enables my wife to safely continue cycling. Joyce has hip and knee problems which, without assistance, give a very wobbly start - dangerous in traffic. With the use of the throttle she glides away smoothly.
I rather expect she ain't the only one!
I use that feature all the time, as I often carry relatively heavy loads in addition to the extra weight of the battery + motor.

I am openly a strong advocate of e-bikes that require human power (as opposed to e-bikes that can be used with throttle-only, like mopeds), but being able to invoke the assistance directly - effectively overriding the slow-starting pedal sensor - is very important to me.

Cheers, Dan
 

flecc

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Me too for similar reasons to Daniel. The chances of keeping that feature are nil though, pedelec will be the only option for unregistered e-bikes.

Maybe some enterprising manufacturer will make 1000 watt throttle controlled e-bikes then for the "low powered moped" class. Sure they need registration, a rear number plate and a moped licence and insurance, but using or getting those never bothered us in the petrol motor-assist days of the 1940s and 1950s.
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