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Baz the balloon man

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Also if some one was walking along the road pushing a bicycle, under what grounds with no reasonable cause to stop that person ie not for an authorised stop and search and the person was not even riding the cycle then what legislation would be used for the stop as a bicycle is not a motor vehicle?

I know the Police would just do what they want but is there any legislation that says they can just stop any one they please with no justification?

Or do they need to come up with some thing like “I can smell cannabis “ for instance which would be difficult to disprove ?
 

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Also if some one was walking along the road pushing a bicycle, under what grounds with no reasonable cause to stop that person ie not for an authorised stop and search and the person was not even riding the cycle then what legislation would be used for the stop as a bicycle is not a motor vehicle?

I know the Police would just do what they want but is there any legislation that says they can just stop any one they please with no justification?

Or do they need to come up with some thing like “I can smell cannabis “ for instance which would be difficult to disprove ?
The police can only ask people for details if they suspect they've committed an offence, except if they're driving a motor vehicle. They can stop and check any motor vehicle, bicycle or invalid carriage.
 

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Can they stop some one on a mobility scooter chair ?
The police can stop anyone they like and ask them questions or examine things they are carrying. They can search you if they think or say they thought you might be hiding something illegal about your person.

I got stopped a few years ago - maybe five years ago when I was walking back from an evening with my partner at her house and I was carrying a small back pack. It was maybe four in the morning. They asked me if I was starting work on the early shift and I just said I'd been visiting a lady and we'd had dinner and some wine and I was now walking back to my own house. As soon as I opened my mouth they knew I was legit. They asked me if I'd like a lift home, which I declined.

A long time back - almost fifty years - my best mate at the time had been out with his wife on a late night out and he had left his baby daughter at his mother's house. He was wheeling one of those old fashioned prams along a road at about two in the morning and a funny little Hilman Imp cop car pulled up and the cop got out and asked him what he had in the pram.

'A baby', he replied. The cop peered in and asked if he would like a lift home. My pal looked at the pram, and the tiny car, and said he doubted it would fit in. The cop was embarrassed. Both those situations could have netted them a burglar though, so it was reasonable to speak to both of us.

I was also stopped when I was a student in the middle of the night driving through I think Hatfield. I had set off on my 150 cc James Cadet to ride from London to Newcastle at about midnight. I had a big bag strapped on the rack and as a learner rider, I had left the AI where it turned into a motorway for a stretch and was riding on the old road through the town. These two pulled me over with my big bag and wanted to know what was in it and why I was riding along at about two in the morning. I showed them my dirty clothes and college books and stuff and then they asked where I was going... They looked a bit concerned for my welfare at this point and warned me to take care. I didn't get home until about nine in the next morning. I think that little motorcycle cruised at about forty miles an hour and 300 miles at night is a long way on a bike like that, especially with the terrible six volt head light it had. That bike had cost me a fiver. I rescued it from a garden where it was lying on its side with grass growing through the frame and wheels. Good old villiers engine in it. Never missed a beat except when I got water in the petrol somehow.
 
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The police can stop anyone they like and ask them questions or examine things they are carrying. They can search you if they think or say they thought you might be hiding something illegal about your person.
They can't search you unless they have reasonable suspicion that you have committed or are about to commit a crime. There's quite a high threshold for that. They can't just say you look suspicious or it's suspicious that you're there. Likewise, refusal to answer their questions cannot be used as grounds for suspicion. If they search you without reaching the threshold, they leave themselves open for a civil lawsuit. If you watch any of the "auditors" on Youtube, you'll see that that happens regularly, and the average payout is about £2,000. If you have such an interaction with the police, always ask them to switch on their body cameras, and film it yourself if you can. There's nothing to stop you cooperating if you want.
 
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Baz the balloon man

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They can't search you unless they have reasonable suspicion that you have committed or are about to commit a crime. There's quite a high threshold for that. They can't just say you look suspicious or it's suspicious that you're there. Likewise, refusal to answer their questions cannot be used as grounds for suspicion. If they search you without reaching the threshold, they leave themselves open for a civil lawsuit. If you watch any of the "auditors" on Youtube, you'll see that that happens regularly, and the average payout is about £2,000. If you have such an interaction with the police, always ask them to switch on their body cameras, and film it yourself if you can. There's nothing to stop you cooperating if you want.
Yes I have seen some of the "auditors" On you tube

Believe me when I say I have personal experience of what the old bill can get up to when no one is recording them .

Funny thing I have had interactions with many bent coppers in my 10 years in the Music business.

I was under surveillance by one of the security services and they followed me to the office of an HRH where I was delivering a couple of green label’s .

I think the informant James the Super Grass mentioned in the Netflix programs on the murder of Jill Dando and the Essex boys who was supposedly shot dead in Berkshire told them I was IRA which is so ridiculous it’s laughable he is the only real connection to the Security Service apart from people the King calls members of Society I knew my fair share of them too .

I got nicked a few weeks later , got an unofficial pardon from our late Queen god bless her via her senior lady in waiting and Wayne Sleep and went straight , not straight back at it .

I had to stop smoking as I am a Salesman at heart and have to buy and sell and smoke was the gateway when I was young

I am going to start writing my book soon once I get some hopefully very good legal advise so hope I do not get nicked or shot even after all this time .
Theme of the book why prohibition does not work .

Now back on subject I find my self buying and selling e bike spares
 

Baz the balloon man

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The police can stop anyone they like and ask them questions or examine things they are carrying. They can search you if they think or say they thought you might be hiding something illegal about your person.

I got stopped a few years ago - maybe five years ago when I was walking back from an evening with my partner at her house and I was carrying a small back pack. It was maybe four in the morning. They asked me if I was starting work on the early shift and I just said I'd been visiting a lady and we'd had dinner and some wine and I was now walking back to my own house. As soon as I opened my mouth they knew I was legit. They asked me if I'd like a lift home, which I declined.

A long time back - almost fifty years - my best mate at the time had been out with his wife on a late night out and he had left his baby daughter at his mother's house. He was wheeling one of those old fashioned prams along a road at about two in the morning and a funny little Hilman Imp cop car pulled up and the cop got out and asked him what he had in the pram.

'A baby', he replied. The cop peered in and asked if he would like a lift home. My pal looked at the pram, and the tiny car, and said he doubted it would fit in. The cop was embarrassed. Both those situations could have netted them a burglar though, so it was reasonable to speak to both of us.

I was also stopped when I was a student in the middle of the night driving through I think Hatfield. I had set off on my 150 cc James Cadet to ride from London to Newcastle at about midnight. I had a big bag strapped on the rack and as a learner rider, I had left the AI where it turned into a motorway for a stretch and was riding on the old road through the town. These two pulled me over with my big bag and wanted to know what was in it and why I was riding along at about two in the morning. I showed them my dirty clothes and college books and stuff and then they asked where I was going... They looked a bit concerned for my welfare at this point and warned me to take care. I didn't get home until about nine in the next morning. I think that little motorcycle cruised at about forty miles an hour and 300 miles at night is a long way on a bike like that, especially with the terrible six volt head light it had. That bike had cost me a fiver. I rescued it from a garden where it was lying on its side with grass growing through the frame and wheels. Good old villiers engine in it. Never missed a beat except when I got water in the petrol somehow.
I was working for a guy called the Dick in South Kensington connected to One of our biggest Stately Homes .

It was a Monday over the week end I went to buy a Piano, Wayne Sleep came with me .
We where in this guys house London looking at the Piano Wayne was having a good look at it and asking lots of questions .
Whilst he was inspecting the Piano I asked the guy what he did for a living Wayne did not hear this .
The guy said “ I am a senior Trading Standards Officer “ I stoped Wayne and said .
Wayne the Piano is fine it’s as described and e]we bought it and left.

My late father had an old British Airways Transit Van with Windows an old luggage delivery van so we loaded the Piano into the van and left .

The Piano was still in the van when I drove with Dad , my brother Baz and One of the Mills Brothers ( Mentioned in the Krays book )

Coming home from working in Dicks South Kensington Flat I was driving through Hyde Park and Two Police vans full of Armed Coppers passed us I saw in the mirror that they did a U turn and started coming up behind us , I do not know why but I knew they where coming for us .

They stopped us in Sussex Gardens Paddington .
Surrounded us with armed officers with machine guns , one was screaming “What’s in the Van What’s in the Van “ I calmly said a “ Piano you can see it through the widows “ by this time we where sitting against a wall hands on our heads.
The cop screamed “ what’s in the Piano “
I said ‘some nice Irish love songs “

There was nothing to find in the Van as we had all been doing honest work painting for a member of the British Establishment.

I assumed it was linked to the Police it was not to years later I realised it was a much more sinister stop and search ( Idiots !!).

No reason was ever given for the stop it was also around the time the Brazilian guy was gunned down on his way to work in London .

I have 10 Years of these tales to tell and I am skint if any one knows any good publishers pls get in touch .

Cheers
Baz the Balloon Man
 
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Yes I have seen some of the "auditors" On you tube

Believe me when I say I have personal experience of what the old bill can get up to when no one is recording them .

Funny thing I have had interactions with many bent coppers in my 10 years in the Music business.

I was under surveillance by one of the security services and they followed me to the office of an HRH where I was delivering a couple of green label’s .

I think the informant James the Super Grass mentioned in the Netflix programs on the murder of Jill Dando and the Essex boys who was supposedly shot dead in Berkshire told them I was IRA which is so ridiculous it’s laughable he is the only real connection to the Security Service apart from people the King calls members of Society I knew my fair share of them too .

I got nicked a few weeks later , got an unofficial pardon from our late Queen god bless her via her senior lady in waiting and Wayne Sleep and went straight , not straight back at it .

I had to stop smoking as I am a Salesman at heart and have to buy and sell and smoke was the gateway when I was young

I am going to start writing my book soon once I get some hopefully very good legal advise so hope I do not get nicked or shot even after all this time .
Theme of the book why prohibition does not work .

Now back on subject I find my self buying and selling e bike spares
Yes, of course. They try every trick to do things that they're not entitled to. They say, "Stop a moment...." or "Wait there". If you ask if you're detained, they never answer, because if you are detained and they haven't the grounds, you can sue them. If you're not detained, you can just carry on as if nothing has happened, but then they say it raises their suspicion.

In 1970, my friend and I were walking from my house to his late at night, when we heard the alarm going at the local squash club, so we took a small detour to investigate. Apparently, somebody had broken in and nicked some booze. We were just standing on a road about 100m from it and there was a field in between. This was before mobile phones, so we were wondering whether we should go back home and report it, when a police car came screaming up to us, and agressive coppers jumped out. It never occurred to us that we might be seen as suspects.

They separated us and bombarded us with questions. I thought that I should cooperate because I had nothing to hide or fear, as I'd done nothing wrong. My friend was a bit more belligerent, and he just kept shouting that they had got the wrong guys. They came to the conclusion that our answers didn't add up, so they handcuffed us and took us to jail, where we stayed for several hours. Detectives questioned us and we had to make statements before they let us go. The next day, they came to my house and said that they had dropped the charges. Presumably, they caught the guys that did it. There was no apology or anything like that. If that happened today, we'd get about £3,000 each, but nobody knew about slawsuits in those days, which is probably why the police didn't care about treating people like that.
 

Baz the balloon man

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I think I mentioned once before on here about saving the life of an off duty cop when I was 18 .

A Scottish cop came round from Hendon thanked me and ripped up a bunch of producer tickets that I had from driving 7.5 T glass lorry when I had just passed my test , needless to say I had no insurance .

Unsolicited favour or corruption?

When I was busted many years later by Area 1 drug squad many year later squad after the visit to HRH I think the same copper older and dressed in a blue blazer with gold /brass buttons was accompanying them .

I think but can not be sure that it was the same man , but he obviously carried a lot of clout , none of the other drug squad officers were allowed to talk to me .

I realised once we got back to Kilburn Nick that he was a bit of a celebrity based on my own journey in these circles.

At this point let’s leave it there as I am 100% going to see if there is a book deal going .

But just a little tit bit .

The Railway Rapist Dave Malchay was swanning around Willesden , after my own arrest and decision to go go straight.

He was claiming to be a Mafia style hit man , we just thought he was a Walta Miffy Ass - hole however he was serving up according to hearsay reliable information large amount of Charlie so maybe he was not a Walter - Miffy And was in fact a hit man total guess Gill Danndo , Essex Boys , The super Grass James ( if he was in fact shot dead I have my Doubts )

I supposed just ask his Bird Lynn who Steve Allen bangs on about at Drivell o’clock on LBC Like he does not know how to put a line of coke up his nose reallly!!!!!!!!!’mmmm very camp .

Wow I have been umming and Arrring about this for years stressing my self out , getting unimaginable stick from A holes and been beaten by the Police , Billy no mates in my old world .

I am coming out !!!! Love it feeling alive again
 

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