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Can't say I've seen it on the GP4 maybe in the app if there is one...
Is yours a Black version?


...if so, you don't have direct control over the shutter and can't use a set value, but you can force the camera to use faster shutter speeds (selected by the camera automatically for the scene, changing with scene lighting conditions - allowing the camera to select shutter speed dynmically can lead to bad results on many cameras - the algorithms vary in effectiveness, also limited by CPU capability) by locking ISO max to say 1600, and lowering Exposure Compensation. It's on page 72 of the manual. Sorry to say, it seems your GP4 operates in rather the same way as my Crosstour 4k, but if your GP4 sensor and software is better, you should have more success than I did.
 
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It's on page 72 of the manual. Sorry to say, it seems your GP4 operates in rather the same way as my Crosstour 4k
Can't really say I've over played, I adopted it without box so I never thought to read the manual lol. I will have a butchers - thanks
 
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Can't really say I've over played, I adopted it without box so I never thought to read the manual lol. I will have a butchers - thanks
There's a really good Feiyutech on-person and bike mountable gimbal for the GoPro 4 - footage of MTB rides on Youtube beats the hell out of Hypersmooth.
 

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bike mountable gimbal
It's a rich man toy imo, nice to have & impressive results from the YT vids, maybe if I win the lotto - in the mean time I am going to pull the trigger on that rx5600 xt fingers crossed it'll play nice with my i7 & h61 chipset until I save up for the ryzen 5 5600x, compared with a gimble I will use the rx5600 daily lol.... It's the Cex gamble on which card they send, hopefully not a single fan card not keen...
 

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I am going to pull the trigger on that rx5600 xt fingers crossed it'll play nice with my i7 & h61 chipset until I save up for the ryzen 5 5600x, compared with a gimble I will use the rx5600 daily lol.... It's the Cex gamble on which card they send, hopefully not a single fan card not keen...
Is there one at a Cex anywhere nearby? In that situation I always search by postcode, and travel a bit if I have to, if the item is imprtant enough. Single fan would be a bummer.
 
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nice to have & impressive results from the YT vids,
They're delicate things, and probably wouldn't last very long used on a bike. Wouldn't want such a huge whirring lump of a contraption on the handlebar anyway. Action camera electronic image stabilisation keeps getting better, as do sensors. If a somewhat old model 7 Black can capture night number plates as we've seen, any newer GoPro product with manual shutter speed control, will certainly do a better job And in future, manufacturers of cheapos might start making better GoPro copies.
 
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In that situation I always search by postcode
I don't think that's an option, it's like the "custom" PC gamble with CeX, you defo get a 5600x cpu but the mobo & ram are just listed as DDR4 and "working", the only possible insight to how objectively good the other components are is the price, two identical "custom", for example the r5 5600x cpu PC, one could be £50 more than the other although other variables come into play if the GPU is listed.

If I purchase the GPU RX5600 XT from store assuming there is one in stock, I wouldn't have the right to return if it doesn't work with my aging system, anecdotally, from YT comments section, it should work as a PCIe gen 3 card in my h61 chipset but it gnaws at the back of brain that it might just not work. The thing is, it will be classed as "tested" from store, they would have confirmed it working before stocking it. If I took it back they would test it again & yes it might be faulty but if not & it just doesn't work on my system then I am stuck with GPU until I go AM4 after saving pennies... If I order online ie the gamble I have 14 days return window & no one will be any wiser that I have actually used it as a test run, unless the crafty gits have a breakable Cex warranty sticker, that would be my luck haha....

The Rx5600 xt comes as 1 fan, 2 fan & 3 fan designs... I would cherish a 3 fan but 2 fans is enough, just 1 fan doesn't scream power imo
 

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I don't think that's an option, it's like the "custom" PC gamble with CeX, you defo get a 5600x cpu but the mobo & ram are just listed as DDR4 and "working", the only possible insight to how objectively good the other components are is the price, two identical "custom", for example the r5 5600x cpu PC, one could be £50 more than the other although other variables come into play if the GPU is listed.
Or it could have just one RAM stick installed, which happened once :oops:


If I purchase the GPU RX5600 XT from store assuming there is one in stock, I wouldn't have the right to return if it doesn't work with my aging system
Yes, much safer buying online. You can return anything bought from the store within 24 hours, even if you just change your mind, but they will give you a voucher instead of a refund (I've done this many times, but clarify everry reason for which you might return with the particular store's manager you're buying from first), which can also be redeemed online. Be careful to not lose both parts of the voucher - I snap phtos of them with my phone, just in case.


they would have confirmed it working before stocking it.
So why do they keep sending me non-working items? Oodles of dead or dying hard drives, CPUs, music gear power supplies etc. Perhaps they send out non-working returns for re-testing by the buyer, so they don't have to pay a wage?


it should work as a PCIe gen 3 card in my h61 chipset
You might not get full performance, but it should work IMHO. PCIe3 was designed to be backwards compatible.



unless the crafty gits have a breakable Cex warranty sticker
Do they do that? I've never seen one.



The Rx5600 xt comes as 1 fan, 2 fan & 3 fan designs... I would cherish a 3 fan but 2 fans is enough, just 1 fan doesn't scream power imo
I'd be more concerned about which manufacturer made it - Asus or Gigabyte motherboards last longest in my experience, Asus writes better drivers, also MSI graphics cards do seem to have lasted well, stable drivers. One big fan will squeal annoyingly at a lower pitch, when it gets screechy (some can be de-squeaked). More than one gives you a more even airflow over the graphics board. You don't want to be saddled with a noname piece of junk which'll last 5 minutes, or last longer while crashing constantly in use - maybe sometime I should order/return/order until I got sent a likely looking Asus, Gigabyte or (third place preference) MSI?

Personally speaking I'd hold onto the money, because games are a waste of that and life. But... different strokes for different folks.
 
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one RAM stick installed
kudos - single channel ram on an AMD cpu - the stuff of nightmares for gamers

but they will give you a voucher instead of a refund
I did not know that. Oh yes indeed I would insist on clarification, we all know about hindsight.

which can also be redeemed online
I need to look into this, I have that 8gb ddrl worth £8[voucher], if anything it'll pay for shipping costs.

So why do they keep sending me non-working items?
or the items been rushed through testing by said underpaid staff member, I would imagine only high value items get tested fully, Then I would assume they have a good insurance policy to claim off - I am surprised there wasn't a fly-on-the-wall doc on Cex during the Pawn stars era of TV.

You might not get full performance, but it should work IMHO. PCIe3 was designed to be backwards compatible.
Aye, the i7 bottles the 960 so I figure I would get better FPS, textures etc and more CPU percentiles. Tbf it's a case of; now I have the PCIe 4.0 GPU, if its under perform then I have a good solid argument with the other half, for a new platform. AWT-it mobo, ram, & cpu under £400 all new - I have the case, psu & storage good to go, although I may sneak in a small M.2 NVMe in when no ones looking...

Do they do that? I've never seen one.
I don't think so, put knowing my luck some dictator will put one over the connector.

maybe sometime I should order/return/order
Don't have I to pay for return postage, could get costly. I agree on the brand thing, my 960 is Asus, I would like to stay brand loyal it has being a great brand & card from day one new way back in 2013, never repasted and still has boot thermals of 25 degs and load of 55, although I do blow the fans up to 60% under load.

Personally speaking I'd hold onto the money, because games are a waste of that and life.
I get out in the summer, but yep I agree but as my mother would say at least I am not hurting anyone or getting into trouble. One wrong choice/move on the bike and we could end up in the clink or a coffin.

Edit -to make matters worse I picked a GPU that now has an updated BIOS for better performance however some need flashing & some brands can't be flashed, oh the joy...
 

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Don't have I to pay for return postage, could get costly.
They issue refunds etc. at stores - done it myself many times... so buy/return/buy away, till you get what you want?


Edit -to make matters worse I picked a GPU that now has an updated BIOS for better performance however some need flashing & some brands can't be flashed, oh the joy...
Flashing could cause problems with returns, unless you can flash it back to whatever version it was shipped with.
 
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They issue refunds etc. at stores
Good thinking, I never thought about that. I highly doubt they would know the bios version if flashing a card, the GPU was suppose to compete with the 1660 ti but then Nvida lowered the price of the RTX 2060 so AMD released a bios flash to improve performance but not all cards can handle it - in a nut shell.

On an unrelated topic - I am gearing up for some sort of hyperinflation, our local ALDI, if you look hard enough have changed all the "paper" price tags on shelf to small LCD (old mobile size) screens and they are updating the product prices electronically - You could walk in grab something for 99p & by the time you hit the
till its gone up to £1.99 and you couldn't argue the price because they changed it on shelf - crafty barstools.
 

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I highly doubt they would know the bios version if flashing a card
Depends on what their testing procedure is for cards I suppose - I believe they don't buy phones which have been rooted, which they can check, which may indicate those phones may have had alternative OSs flashed.

On an unrelated topic - I am gearing up for some sort of hyperinflation, our local ALDI, if you look hard enough have changed all the "paper" price tags on shelf to small LCD (old mobile size) screens and they are updating the product prices electronically - You could walk in grab something for 99p & by the time you hit the
till its gone up to £1.99 and you couldn't argue the price because they changed it on shelf - crafty barstools.
Are they preparing the ground for getting rid of the tills/sacking a lot of staff?
 

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Are they preparing the ground for getting rid of the tills/sacking a lot of staff?
Aye that could be it, I would hate to see hyperinflation but in matters of doom & gloom I have been known to rather accurate... I did hear of some self service trials down Somerset I believe but that was some time ago, tbf one of our Asda went full self service, one till for fags n lotto & one staff to man the lot, with one on shelve stacking duty near by for busy periods, suffice to say I do not frequent that Asda much any more & if I do I cash a winning quid scratch card at the fag counter, last time I used a self service there I was waiting ages for beer approval or a plastic bag replacement request.

Quick question on this return to store for CeX - Order online and return as unwanted for a full refund to original purchase method; not voucher? under the 14 days distance selling regs? I haven't read the t&c's but I will before any purchases. It's been a while since I parted with that kind of cash for a computer part, last big purchase was the MXUS front but the was new.
 

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in matters of doom & gloom I have been known to rather accurate...
I'm ready for the Thunderdome ;)


Quick question on this return to store for CeX - Order online and return as unwanted for a full refund to original purchase method; not voucher? under the 14 days distance selling regs? I haven't read the t&c's but I will before any purchases. It's been a while since I parted with that kind of cash for a computer part, last big purchase was the MXUS front but the was new.
I've always paid by Paypal when ordering online from Cex, and they've always refunded in full to Paypal - that payment option sometimes disappears, like a couple of hours ago when I had to pay by card. Cex hive mind beancounter central seems to toggle Paypal on and off, more often off of late. Happened in November too - perhaps it's the dispatching store's preference? Cex is a franchise. Best keep things simple - I just tell them I changed my mind.


computer part
Isn't the end of the world if you get refunded with a voucher, if you're going to order another graphics card from Cex anyway? Just don't lose either part. Entering voucher deets while purchasing could be easier.


some need flashing & some brands can't be flashed
They've been locking BIOs to stop the crypto miners buying them all up - they have their own brews to flash on.
 
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perhaps it's the dispatching store's preference? Cex is a franchise. Best keep things simple - I just tell them I changed my mind.
I will do. Thanks for the experience knowledge base, I will ask our branch to make sure. Not overly sure about that paypal thing I might use Credit card for Section 75 protection not via paypal

end of the world if you get refunded with a voucher
True but, if I order return several times & no card is any good then I will stick with the 960, until prices drop or I save up the full AM4 fund and get a 5700/5700xt or 6000 series . The RX6600 if I purchased today may have issues with PCIe 3.0 + £60 more

They've been locking BIOs to stop the crypto miners buying them all up - they have their own brews to flash on.
I meant in relation to the RX5600 XT, some cards from board partners were deemed not engineered enough to handle the new BIOS power draw & increased frequency clocks. Some have dual Bios via a switch, some brands have 1 or 2 cards & one can be flashed the other not etc. Cex pot luck I guess
 
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You are correct...

3.7 This warranty does not cover physical damage, damage or failures which result from accident, misuse, abuse, neglect, mishandling, misapplication, faulty installation, improper maintenance, and improper voltage supply, interference from or with other electronic devices, alteration, improper modification, firmware flashing, bios flashing or service by anyone other than CeX or an agent approved by CeX.

I would assume this may include over clocking. Oh dear...

Lets see what the CeX Russian roulette lands on with the RX5600xt - trigger pulled...
 

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£8.00 voucher > £162 free p&p which was nice.
 

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I would assume this may include over clocking. Oh dear...
I'd operate on the assumption that any graphics card or processor bought at Cex, has likely been overclocked at some stage, and it's why I usually buy new CPUs and GPUs. Personally, I'd change the thermal compound (if the card is old), watch carefully for signs of trouble while it's under high stress... return and get another one if necessary. Once they've been overcooked, they often tend to not tolerate even modestly higher than normal temperatures, in my experience. And they die long before their time.

£8.00 voucher > £162 free p&p which was nice.
Sounds good. When you spend that much, it usually arrives next day by Special Delivery... after about a day or so of dithery dispatch process.
 
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signs of trouble while it's under high stress.
Oh aye first I got to DDU, then once installed check BIOS version(GPUZ), install AMD drivers, then full stress test for baseline, fan check etc keeping an eye on the temps, got the airflow 4000d case with plenty of fans & I am use to low temps on the never repasted 960. Assuming... it boots. Not over sure about repasting I have a habit of breaking things so unless it looks unstable or has funny temps I will probably leave, I doubt it's going to use overly used, they weren't popular & only released a few year back jan 2020