thoughts on new KTM

barrycoll

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Buying an expensive bike, sight unseen, from a dealer 1000+ miles away, is a slightly traumatic business, with a great deal of trust involved. But alls well that ends well, as somebody once wrote.

It is very easy to get seduced by the offers on the German Ebay website, especially if there is no personal recommendation to light a candle in the murk£££ darkness, but I was lucky.
It was a post on this site, from Andy (Boxin), that set me off looking for rad-sport-brucki, as he had very good dealings with this shop in Austria, and loved his 11 speed Alfine/Bosch/KTM. Radsport Brucki | english info
As I mentioned in a previous post, the bike arrived very quickly, but slightly damaged by DHL, in as much as the suspension fork lockout was permanently ‘locked out’ as the handle bar quick release, has been snapped off. But other than that, perfect.
The money side was dealt with by a company in Covent Garden, London ( Covent Garden FX ) as their rate was miles better than the bank....and, amazingly, the money actually got there.
First ride on the bike was exciting, but the set up was far too ‘aggressive for my 72 years years, with the bars too low, and to extended. But my first real experience of Bosch power, left me convinced that the money was well spent.
So now it was a case of stripping the bar raiser, and short stem, plus, bar ends, proper mudguards and rack, off of my non-powered Rockhopper, and putting them on the KTM. Even managed to change the rubber grips without bugg++ing them.

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As for the broken Poplock, well it took Brucki from rad-sport about 3 days to send me a complete new fitment, no questions asked, which is pretty good considering the unit is £45 +pp on ebay.
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He also sent me a proper KTM kick stand, for 15 eu, all up, which leaves my LBS, and web pages for dead. Excellent.

So I have now finally replaced the Poplock, upped and shortened the reach, and fitted full size guards, despite the rather over sized knobbly Racing Ralphs.
Fitting proper mudguards was not really a problem, as long as you don’t mind using cable ties, and a pair of adjustable Cateye clips around the front forks, for the mudguard eyelets,

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Unpowered the bike feels great, and not too different to my unpowered Rockhopper. The 9 speed XT derailleur works seriously smoothly, and only having one front chainring makes life a lot easier, as normally one is considering overlap of each rear sprocket, with each one of the 3 front chain rings.....the gearing is a bit low, meaning just over 20 mph in the 11 tooth sprocket, but that is only with a fresh pair of legs, and doesn’t last long (unfortunately).
The 4 options on the incredibly well designed left hand remote power switch, are still being explored, but I have tried to ration myself to Eco (30%) for as long as possible, interspersed with 0%, when the going is good. The remote has a + and a – button, which are angled, ‘just so’, to accommodate the thumb...excellent touch.
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A fresh battery charge offered me 115 miles in Eco, (under perfect conditions), but came back with 85 showing after 15 energetic miles....chasing roadies around Regents Park outer loop....(unsuccessfully)....I was using ‘turbo’ for a long slight uphill to keep me on the wheel in front, but mostly I was on my own (as it were) at around 18/19mph, and so beyond ‘help’.
The SLX hydraulics are a smooth as a babies backside, but in all honesty, not too much different a feel to the Tektro hydraulics on the Rockhopper..............the law of Diminishing Returns, strikes. But no rim wear, and no brake fibre grot over everything, which makes hydraulics the default choice. The levers on the SLX version, have great little knurled knobs, to adjust the lever/handlebar distance, depending whether you have monsters or minis, in the paw department.....so very sophisticated

The motor is totally quiet whatever the demand, and the only sound is that generated by the Racing Ralphs, which must show where a fair bit of the effort is going. The big Intuvia HMI ‘dashboard, is mounted on the stem, and is a very easy readout, and the big buttons easy to use, despite a thick pair of gloves in this 0’ C weather.

There is a seriously steep short ramp on the way back home which has me down to a walking 4 m.p.h unpowered, and on gear 28 of the 27! But the KTM rocketted up at 12 mph in assistance level 2 (Touring), and some of the remaining muscle.
And (as Kenny Everett might have said), it was all done in the very best of taste

The saddle is a bit severe (as it were),and although the narrow shape is OK, just a wee bit more memory foam would have been appreciated, but I have a shelf full of tried and discarded saddles to work my way through before Evans is on the radar.

So 10 out of 10 for rad-sport-brucki, as he has taken the sting out of a distance purchase, and at a precise £2000 all up for a pretty sophisticated piece of kit, to the very latest 2013 spec, plus the big 11 ah Bosch battery, is verging on the very cusp of a bargain.
But I would say that wouldn’t I, as Christine Keeler said to the presiding judge.
 

eddieo

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I agree a lot of bike for the money and a lovely spec. My KTM last year was double boxed so no chance of damage unless dropped from height. The only risk with distance buying is selecting the right size bike, I'm not to concerned re back up, as even if you have to send it back, the Germans know what they are doing and should be back in a reasonable time........Enjoy!:)
 

indalo

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But I would say that wouldn’t I, as Christine Keeler said to the presiding judge.
Lol, its funny how certain names stuck in the brain.. Mandy R-D, J Thorpe and Madam W as other fine examples :p
I noticed Barry's mention of Christine Keeler earlier today and I felt sure it was the other tart who said that in court. Unfortunately, I couldn't think of the name until I saw Dave's post a little while ago, mentioning the very woman; Mandy Rice-Davies, no less. In point of fact, she said something along those lines, ("Well, he would, wouldn't he!") not about herself obviously but about one of our esteemed peers of the realm, if memory serves me correctly.

Indalo
 

Cakey

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Stayed at the clivedon a few months ago. Strange reading material in the bedrooms.
Stunning building though .
 

RobF

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I noticed Barry's mention of Christine Keeler earlier today and I felt sure it was the other tart who said that in court. Unfortunately, I couldn't think of the name until I saw Dave's post a little while ago, mentioning the very woman; Mandy Rice-Davies, no less. In point of fact, she said something along those lines, ("Well, he would, wouldn't he!") not about herself obviously but about one of our esteemed peers of the realm, if memory serves me correctly.

Indalo
I think, on this occasion, we can rely on the accuracy of wiki:

"While giving evidence at the trial of Stephen Ward, charged with living off the immoral earnings of Keeler and Rice-Davies, the latter made a famous riposte. When the prosecuting counsel pointed out that Lord Astor denied an affair or having even met her, she replied, "Well, he would, wouldn't he?" (often misquoted as "Well he would say that, wouldn't he?").[5] By 1979, this phrase had entered the third edition of the Oxford Dictionary of Quotations."
 

barrycoll

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Sep 14, 2009
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the 'thing' that I remember about Mandy R-D., was that she was supposed to be..."twice as nice, for half the price"....but maybe that is just my memory!
 

barrycoll

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Sep 14, 2009
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...........or maybe she was talking about the KTM Machina Race, in relation to the Haibike Enduro.....!
 

Electrifying Cycles

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Your bike looks great just wondered whether you bought the KTM Macina Race 29. We are comparing UK RRP for KTM with other prices in Europe. Looking at potentially adding some of their bikes to our range. Not had a chance to ride their bikes but they look great and love the AVE so I am sure they would be a great addition if the price is right. Panasonis rear drive looks interesting be good to see how it compares to Storck's new 36v rear drive due out next year. We have the RRP for KTM bikes, happy to share this!

Thanks,
David
 

barrycoll

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Sep 14, 2009
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No, I didn't choose the 29er, as, after reviewing the online comments, it just confirmed that I am not a potential down-hill rough stuff champ., nor (as far as I know) "a tragic attention seeking old man", although the last bit might be getting a bit close for comfort....as far as I can see, the gains would be marginal, or even a figment of the imagination, on UK bridleways, canal paths, or crap London roads..

What Is A 29er - BikeRadar

the comments on 29ers were ambivalent to say the least, and seemingly more marketing and style than substance, and there is the possibility of a wheel,or 2, sticking out from beyond the back of the car when we take the bikes down to Spain....
on the other hand, peoples seem to want them, maybe in the same way that they want Haloween another import from the US of A
the trend for big rims on motor cars seems to be driven by the same style/marketing issue, and lead to a dreadful ride, and expensive replacement rubber...

as for the price of the 2013 KTM, well in Austria it is listed at 2,700, and that equated to £2000 more or less, to my front door...
compared with an 2012 AVE, with less quality kit, and an 8ah battery, that seemed like a good deal

I am sure that there would be a market the KTM range, either 26 or 29"s, as they are good looking bikes coming out of an upmarket motor bike manufacturer.....a bit like a well priced BMW e bike!

out of interest, what are the UK RRPs of Machina Race 26" and 29"????

cheers barryc
 

Electrifying Cycles

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Hi Barryc

RRP for either Macina Race 26 or 29 is £2399 (with larger battery).

DW
 

Blew it

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There is a KTM Race 29'er demo bike here in Swindon, strangely it arrived fitted with the smaller 300 watt-hour battery. I think I heard Spring 2013 quoted as the likely delivery date.

Edit: Also noticed two new-for-2013 BH Emotion demo machines in there. 30 speed BH Emotion Neo Jumper with air rear shock, and a 30 speed Neo 29'er.
 
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Electrifying Cycles

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To be honest we have not signed up with them as I wanted to make sure that prices were competitive with Europe before proceeding. However I have just spoken to the distributer who stated most models should be available from around February.

We are currently looking for another brand to compliment AVE. Considered Haibike but contacted Raleigh a few times and they have not got back to us yet, although the prices do appear high compared to Europe. KTM looked like a good alternative.
 

nemesis

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Are there any issues with warranty claims when buying from abroad or is it void because of the logistics involved.