ABritInNY

Interesting how national viewpoints on speed differ, at first I found the 24.3mph top unassisted throttle speed on my kayman flash+ to be absolutely perfect, (It hits 25.7mph HOC for a few mins at the outset, but then settles down to just under 25mph (NYC city speed limit, and 29.8mph max for maybe 5 or 6 seconds if I'm peddling my hardest and fighting the limiter with fury, all while standing in the saddle to peddle ;p lol. No, I'd say it's the pathetic 'torque' I hated most about low power ebikes/pedelecs, and wanted to fix first, since at traffic lights I felt too slow 'off the mark,' and at a crazy impatient drivers mercy So I endeavoured to build my own from scratch, rather than rely on an Ebike manufacturer speccing it 4 me. However since it was Me that decided the specs, I "may," have gone a lil overboard with the power on it. My plan was to peel and restick the 250w 36v bafang hubmotor stickers, on to the 1500w nominal, leafmotors case, just above my 7sp derailleur, in case an official visually looked to check...) I installed a 3sp switch on my CAV3, to control power levels 'on the fly,' but even @28a continuous on the lowest setting @80v is approx 2kw, it goes over 40 mph! Never mind settings 2 or 3!! (I Went 61 mph max during testing stage, over 90mph with no load so even with stickers saying different, I don't think that would fool the cops in any way. Perhaps if I was Dutch instead of English I wouldn't have been tempted to build it! As it is, (@least 4 now) I'm very grateful that I am. Imo, in certain traffic situations, being too slow is much more dangerous than being able to keep up with the traffic, even if that happens to be over 15.5mph.

Right but isn't that 15.5mph with motor assistance only, I thought peddling together with the motor after cutoff and freewheeling (as long as no motor assistance above,) was also legal upto 20, based on some of the earlier stuff I read.

I guess it's late here, (almost 4am) but seems I'm missing it, care to clue me in what's so ironic about not understanding UK pedelec definitions?

lol my battery IS 19 kilo! (lifepo4 is heavy) but the motor is only a 1500w nominal (4500+ peak) leafmotor, and I used All bike parts, so @under 45kilo it's not a motorbike either. Also, at under 40wh/mile (no peddling,) according to my CAv3 my 24s 30ah battery has 2.3 kwh in the pack, and will go waaay more than only 10km!!

WHAT EXACTLY do you think the Ped in Moped stands for? obviously peddles! and motorized by electric or ICE, it's still a motorized peddled vehicle, that if goes over 20 and is over 250w nom isn't a UK pedelec, but an E Moped. Why is this so hard for people to understand? Merely having the ability to be peddled doesn't make it a "Bike" which is the only conveyance capable of over 20mph. to be traditionally allowed to operate without a license or insurance! If it helps less fit humans both enjoy their bikes/outdoors more, and keep up better with street traffic, by the simple addition of a low powered motor, then the resulting hybrid will still act and feel like a bike, however bigger motor setups require larger batteries and generate HP not human power so logically should be excluded. I live in Brooklyn NY for the last few years, and over here (NY State law,) all Ebikes are ILLEGAL!! doesn't mean I don't have a bunch OR have stopped riding around. Instead I try to ride safely, stay off the pavement (sidewalks they call it here and I nearly typed that accidentally lol.) I stay under 25mph (NYC speed limit): on ALL my bikes when on the roads (OK when I see cops ;p) There is Ebike insurance over here that one can get, but having it here is irrelevant to confiscation for illegality. In states with more liberal laws there is still a state v federal ebike law standoff because of the power definitions, but folks in Cali can have a 1000w nom motor and still not need any licence or insurance! sometimes I wonder why I'm still here in NY, coz if you're gonna leave blighty anyway, may as well have gone somewhere warm I built myself a multi Kw bike (cost about $4000 in parts) YES it has peddles! a rear 7sp derailleur too lol as well as an 8 magnet pedelec sensor (Yes, it has a half twist and seperate 3sp too lol) but I'm not deluding myself that it's even a Speed pedelec, because it isn't! If I'm honest it's a light e motorcycle built with bike parts for weight. Federal law in the US allows a grey area for inventors to operate and that's what I'm using. So far, so good, in it's testing but I've not exceeded 25mph despite pulling over 4000w on acceleration getting there Cars can't keep up lol unlike my turn key bikes which can do 25mph too, but accelerate about as fast as peddling. I even have a UK legal, 250w pedelec MTB (that I initially hated!) that I now use for exercise. I initially thought it was slow as heck, as I was comparing it to my throttle Ebikes, and I always came home tired! I got stronger, learned to shift gears better, (I have 27 on the Freway,) went on a trail and had my Eureka moment. Of course now I know what each Ebike is good for, I'm very happy with my little 250w pedelec only bike. It's only 40lbs with battery so it's a bike still, and even in ebike banned NYC the police haven't even given it a 2'nd glance. Nevertheless, it would be really good if they could just figure this whole legal issue out, and draft a set of laws that we can all reference, and based on them, license the bike/Us, or NOT as the law required us.