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Or check see if the fan is turning on the charger, if it has one. If it hasn't, feel the charger see if it is hot or cold. Not perfect but quick and easy.

Cant help ya with this one. Think Freud is the man ya need.

When I was young I used to think National Service was wrong. But looking at some of the teenagers coming out of schools my opinion is beginning to change.

Cheers on the halls testing info, but it wasn't the purpose of the comment. shemozzle999 - all's well apocryphal - Had too look that one up.

oops think my mistake in spelling has given me some stars. Was always more into maths and physics than english. Reminds me of a Plato quote. "Knowledge which is acquired under compulsion has no hold on the mind. Therefore do not use compulsion, but let early education be rather a sort of amusement; this will better enable you to find out the natural bent of the child."

"Not mentioning names, there are one or two on here!" sort of personalizes it a bit? not mentioning names leaves the back door open a bit."Don't be sorry" us scots have thick skin. Think its to do with the weather. True i never started the post but I didn't drive it off co**** either. Just don't like good threads getting driven off topic. Nothing worse than going into a thread and seeing it has been driven off co**** like this one which has now got half posts on topic and half off. Though what is good with this one is it has went to more useful info. good post on motor check btw. Maybe you should add how to test the halls sensors. Maybe one of you guys with more knowledge on batteries should put a post up on safety/checking/etc if you feel you have genuine concern. Me pulling out of it was to try get it back on track. On the entertainment side just had a good giggle with the thread on 9000W. "Spill you Ovaltine" couldn't help but laugh.

Think i will pull out this thread keeps going back and forth with regards to me helping someone with a battery. Maybe best to pm next time Rog if you don't agree with something said or done than bring it up in public. Bringing it up in this thread to me has degraded what could have been a good discussion.

Ebike electronics can only go so far due to all we are asking it todo. A wiring diagram isnt much to ask for. As said previous not everyone stays near a dealer nor have they the money to pay them to diagnose a simple fault never mind having to add carrier charges to get it to them. I agree diagnostic systems will be very limited but that with a wiring diagram will give Mr average a good start point for alot of faults. With that info you could ask anyone with some electrical knowledge to help you fix it ie guy next door.

What I get for reading when I should have been in my bed. The joys of having Monday off. Excellent manual and by the looks a good product. Products are usually better when the people involved have a passion for the subject. Quality over money can be a good thing. "The Chinese" was a flippant comment regarding the the mass production of goods and probably alot of circuit boards in bikes. The quality is not always at the forefront of there minds.

I hear you Rog and Muckymits, I do forget sometimes that some people don't understand the basics in using electrical equipment. Once the mistake was made I then advised him to take up the offer from another member to fix it for him. Maybe bit late but well... You are correct though and it is taken on board. Thank you for bringing it up. On the subject of battery faults due to bad solder joints or like the fault I had- nut coming of the kettle plug and rattling about inside the main unit probably shorting out the BMS board, are totally unacceptable. Lets be honest more solder on one and dab of loctite on other. But thats another topic. That was a good example of how a manual should look flecc. I noticed there was no mention regarding the dangers involved with these high output batteries. I would have thought there would be a legal requirement to put a warning in the manual or on the battery? read the wisper one too and it was the same. I know Im off topic but had to reply to my public spanking :o "I will say e Zee has went out of their way to help customers with their technical manual but again people who cant work on a e bike wont buy because there is no dealer support around where they live." Valid point, nearly put me off. I spose you can only advice people with little know how on maintenance to buy the right product for them. Would be nice to have a standard though as there is little excuse not to have a diagnostic feature in all controllers. Right whos going to tell the Chinese!

Cheers flecc. Was hoping the controller diagram was in there too though that was only for progressing my knowledge on how things work electronically. Not much use to the average person plus controllers are not to bad priced to replace till you go up into the higher amps. Some things best kept hidden... everyday a learning day, time for some reading. Hope I didn't offend you shemozzle999. Wasn't put in the best way looking back.

None of that was aimed at you Cyclezee was a response to shemozzle999 post. Cant agree with his argument at all. Makes no sense. I deal with circuit boards there pennies to make these days only real cost would be the redesigning of a circuit board. In my opinion maybe 15 quid extra on a bike is more than enough to deal with the costs of adjusting to give fault diagnostic abilities and thats being on the very expensive side. Atleast these days its standard in most mid range and above bikes and according to flecc a company had the foresight years ago. Nice to see they give the diagrams out too. Wish the rest would follow.

Neptune, don't fall into the trap why should we suffer for other peoples stupidity. Do we ban knives and forkes, sharp pencils, bikes would have to go under that argument.

Could always make it on demand to stave off the people who are not confident in trying themselves. Nanny state comes to mind. you buy a ladder and fall of it-your fault. if you buy a car and get your twanger caught in the exaust-its your fault. If you fall of your bike its-your fault. If you play with a bike and get hurt fixing it its ----your fault. The customer is liable for playing with stuff they have no knowledge about imo. There quick to sell an electric bike to ride on the road and to quote above- "It is more a matter of safety of the customer whose level of competence is unknown" If that was a concern they wouldn't just sell an ebike to anyone without checking peoples riding abilities. But we all know that doesnt happen so back to money and selling replacement parts. Im with neptune. Rant over

Just glad your sorted as I was in the same boat few weeks ago. It can be very frustrating. Alot oh peeps will have learned from this post myself included. Spose thats what the forum is all about. Have fun.