MonVal Electra

Hi David, the following statement, is from the 'Dept for Transports' own fact sheet found here: Department for Transport - Electrically assisted pedal cycles in Great Britain Electrically assisted pedal cycles in Great Britain Fact sheet: Electrically assisted pedal cycles (EAPCs) in Great Britain Electrically Assisted Pedal Cycle (an "EAPC") In GB, the EAPC Regulations[1]; apply to certain bicycles, tandem bicycles or tricycles fitted with pedals by means of which they are capable of being propelled. For the regulations to apply, the motor assistance must be provided by an electric motor and not by an internal combustion engine. The electric motor must not be able to propel the machine when it is travelling at more than 15mph. ... Now to me, reading the above statement, it seems pretty clear cut that: if riding on a public highway, and all you have to do to go faster than 15mph is press a button, then the machine is illegal, because the electric motor IS clearly propelling the machine faster than the 15mph on road limit. If the DOT really do let this bike hit the roads legality unchallenged, then they must realise that quite a few of us suppliers will follow suit with similar buttons on various models because the precedent will have been set. ...Of course, our 'off road buttons', really will be for 'off road usage'

Hi Clarkey The EN 15194 standard is not a mandatory requirement in GB, it is voluntary. Currently, the legislation that manufacturers must comply with in the UK, is the GB EAPC Regulation 1983 and the Pedal Cycles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1983. This info confirmed via Email to me from Claire Rees, Senior Engineer, Primary & eSafety Branch, Transport Technology and Standards Division, Department for Transport. Also, from what I have been told by various individuals at the above department, it will remain this way in GB for at least another year. The big fuss for manufacturers, is that some countries in Europe ARE planning to make it mandatory via law, so for those of us who want to trade in them, we need to get our products tested

Hello, the following info might be of use to this poor unfortunate individual to get the Insurance company to pay up... It is copied directly from the Dept of Transport EAPC regulations sheet :- Department for Transport - Electrically assisted pedal cycles in Great Britain The only way around this for the Insurance company, is for them to actually state in their writtten policy, specifically, that they DO NOT insure electric assist bicycles or, any form of motorised vehicle - The above information will be of use, should this person decide that they wish to pursue the matter. Sorry, my input crossed with Maestro's which has mentioned an Insurance company get out clause that I have also stated

...Yes, totally, the electric bike modelled on the website is 35kgs and that includes the two 5.3kg Heinzmann batteries and 5kg Heinzmann motor in the front wheel. ...Feel free to come down and weigh it for yourself The Uk law states that an electric bike must not weigh more than 40kgs to still be classed as a bicycle - there is no stipulation as to how heavy the panniers or bins are, that you fit to it. As regards the website - the reason the information is not there yet, is because we are still deciding on how best to display it and how much detail to go into and what options to list as standard, standard alternatives or as optional extras: For example, there are 3 different makes of centre stands that we can choose from and, at the moment, 3 different styles of pannier racks and mudguards and hard pannier bins, and tyres, rear as well as front. All of these groups of items, like for example the 3 different centre stands are of similar quality and price to each other. So, we have to decide on which one will be the default choice - and, anything that we list as alternatives or optional extras, we then have to make sure that we carry stock of. ... So, this then throws down another dilemma as to whether to list the weight of the bike by itself or together with the different options /alternatives mentioned above, or list the items weights seperately. And, whether we display the dimensions and weights in feet, inches, pounds and stones or in metres, centimetres and kilogrammes, or both. Etc, etc, etc... you get the picture.

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Pedro62 - If you are talking about the MonVal, then please see page one of THIS thread. All your questions will be answered there.

Bode, you are incorrect. If the main reason for me being on this forum was to 'plug my bike,' then I would have stayed well away from a lot of / perceived controversial topics - which I clearly haven't . I am here because I genuinely believe that electric bikes can and will make a difference to society and will happily partake in discussion about them. had you read my previous posts, like you suggested I did with PED-AL, this would have been obvious. I particularly like this forum because most claims that are made on here are, or can be substantiated and the claims that cannot, are often shot down, leading to greater accuracy and less spin by those inclined to do so. For example: Try claiming that a 'Panansonic crank drive' bike can't climb a hill and that you are so staunch in your belief that you wouldn't even bother trying it - then see how many people on here who own or have ridden one and know otherwise, will jump on you. Remember, alot of people who joined have stated that they did so because of the valuable and ACCURATE information that they were able to gleen because of other members actual experiences with various products or manufacturers, or existing members technical prominence in certain fields. back to the topic - in my view, what he did was stupid, no question about that and he should be punished. A 6 month custodial though, on the face of it, to me seems a little harsh when you consider that far worse crimes have been perpetrated wherein the offenders received a very much lighter sentence.

Again, NOT attacking you but, PED-AL made it quite clear, that he had no intention of being a 'Potential customer' - As to a valid point - please remind me of exactly what his views had to do with my company winning the 'carbon reduction award'? - also, as I have said before, anyone is welcome to try it for themselves to see if my claims are true or not. But as we are going way off tangent to the subject of this thread, I suggest we start a new one to answer this. I actually understand your frustation and the need to express it. The difference is that I withdrew my statement when I realised that I should not have called him that (despite what I thought), will you be big enough to do the same? - as you have called a lot of people ar*sh*les. Back on topic, some of us, HAVE been / WERE trained to drive vehicles quickly because of the jobs / functions we performed. But we were ONLY sanctioned to do so during the execution of that job/function. (You will find that these people are connected with the MOD or other specialist government agencies )... so some people can judge what is safe or isn't. ...And because I know that you are going to say 'PROVE IT' - I will. My mate Frank, is the Team Leader of Driver Training for West Mercia Constabulary. That means that he (a civilian) teaches police officers to become Class 'A' drivers - you know, the ones who pose around in their shiny Volvo V70 T5s on the motorways.

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.... or an ar*eh*le I know that you probably won't believe this but, I am NOT having a dig at YOU. I have posted the above quotes because I think I can see where this is going next and am only using YOUR words to prevent an escalation. Please heed your own quotes about presenting facts and remember Mussels quote - I did.

Apparently it is, I cannot go into the technicalities because I do not know too much about how it all works. What I can tell you, is that it was originally destined to go into bike projects like the Velib system in Paris to counteract theft but as someone has pointed out on this forum ( I think it was Flecc but not sure ) their main problem seems to be vandalism. I will tell you alot more about the system if we are lucky enough to get chosen.

Thanks guys, the bins in the picture are 87 litre capacity ones and as regards theft, yes the unusual styling helps to discourage this. There is also a company developing an RFID (radio frequency identifiers) system that is small enough and cheap enough to fit/ hide onto bicycles for fleet use. We are hoping to be one of the companies that they will use to trial it. This win has put us in a stronger position for being a candidate, simply for the publicity alone that they will get. Sorry, for those who don't know, basically a company has developed a tracking system that can be installed / hidden on a bicycle and that works in a similar way to the system used for cars. If it really does work as they claim, you can just imagine the benefits.

Back to the Original topic of this thread Right, now that the dust has settled, we can go back to the original topic of this thread - which was to share the news of my company's good fortune and to show that the wider community are getting more accepting of E bikes as alternative transport albeit for short journies. Please see the attached pictures of the bikes that were entered for the competition.

Hello Mussels - We will be travelling up and down the country shortly - PM me your details and lets see what we can arrange. Hello Swinnerton - I would absolutely LOVE to do Prestigne but unfortunately it clashes with other commitments around that time Just posted this before seeing tiberious's post. Again, I would have loved to attend it. Because, as you say for the 2009 event there is now a hill climb and a throttle only section (correct me if I'm wrong) We are aiming to try and do the Bike Europe gig in Friedrikshine (thats how it sounds to me) Germany. Although this is a lot of money, it is very good exposure and lot of the trade will be there.