2012 Haibikes are now on our website.

 

In addition to the flagship full suspension model (bigger brakes, bigger suspension) there's a low cost low weight Hard-Tail (£ 2'007, 19.9 Kg), plus a Low-Step Trekking model for those that would prefer not to do battle with a cross-bar.

 

Happy electrocycling,

 

James

Hmm......just been drooling over the pics on your website.

 

Seeing as I will mainly be using the bike I would prefer the Haibike eQ XDuro RC, but maybe if we come over for a test, and wife can try that and the low step we can take it from there....

 

I must say the low step is a real looker. This style ladies bike is usually very boring and utilitarian looking.....I would not mind riding it at all and I'm a fussy bugger:)

 

http://i42.tinypic.com/e8jyfl.jpg

Edited January 23, 201214 yr by eddieo

I must say the low step is a real looker. This style ladies bike is usually very boring and utilitarian looking.....I would not mind riding it at all and I'm a fussy bugger:)

 

http://i42.tinypic.com/e8jyfl.jpg

 

I think I prefer the more traditional crossbar style but as the low-step is getting on for a couple of hundred cheaper, I could live with its slightly confused style notes.

 

Nice machines though!

 

Indalo

I think I prefer the more traditional crossbar style but as the low-step is getting on for a couple of hundred cheaper, I could live with its slightly confused style notes.

 

Nice machines though!

 

Indalo

 

Yes I agree, plus being under 20kg helps! Bearing in mind it has no lighting/rack or mudguards so probably not that much difference really....

 

Wife has just ad a look and as I feared much prefers the look of low step:mad: She likes the thinner 28inch wheels...... If they are in stock will try and get over there in February half term to make a comparison.

 

if she wants the low step she can pay for it....Simples!lol:D

Edited January 23, 201214 yr by eddieo

James, Could you please clarify the reduced prices advised on Jan. 4th.

 

"Haibike are dropping the prices of some models so Trekking will be £2245 (spec unchanged). "

 

Your website is still quoting £2395 for the 2010 Trekking.

 

I noticed a reduced spec Trekking, sans mudguards, carrier and SRAM dual-drive at £2007.

 

 

 

Regards

Bob

 

I noticed a reduced spec Trekking, sans mudguards, carrier and SRAM dual-drive at £2007.

Regards

Bob

 

Bob is this not the XDuro RC @ £2007? I dont understand why the 2 near identical Trekking bikes are different prices either

 

XDuro has Rock Shox Recon Silver Air suspension, while the 2 Trekking models have Suntour NCX-D RL....Which bikes have better spec do you think?

 

brakes different as well...XDuro has Tektro Draco. while Trekking, Magura MT Custom hydraulic

Edited January 23, 201214 yr by eddieo

Sorry folks, my mistake... BOTH Trekking models are £2'199 (but you must bring your own tea bag when visiting for testride). And by the way we're opening a store in Kensington March for those that don't want to make the trek to the Suffolk coast.

 

All prices based on current $/€ exchange rate. But it is tempting to knock eight quid of the RC to make it £1'999. Go Pound.

 

Also new for 2012 are, yes, you guessed it... Pedals! Haibike are supplying e-bikes with pedals!! What were they thinking!!... "yes Sir, your new Alfa has arrived... and that will be another £xx for a steering wheel" (very embarrassing!).

Edited January 24, 201214 yr by james@justebikes.co.uk

Great modern looking range of bikes James. If Bosch can bring their battery prices more in line with other manufacturers, these bikes are sure to be very popular.

Lovly Bikes.

Would have expected a slightly larger battery. But then again you can attach another battery to it.

At 500w peak that should be a good 15amp controller on board too.

 

Should be powerful enough through the gearing to do what you like with.

... BOTH Trekking models are £2'199

 

 

 

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James, thanks for the advice.

 

If my understanding is now correct, the Haibike EQ Trekking 2010, complete with full mudguards, rear carrier, hub dynamo lights and SRAM 3/27 Dual-Drive is now £2200.

 

HAIBIKE EQ TREKKING

 

Regards

Bob

...Bob is this not the XDuro RC @ £2007? I dont understand why the 2 near identical Trekking bikes are different prices either...

 

 

Hi Edd, confusion reigns!.. so many configurations which allow us to choose a machine tailored to our individual needs. My own choice has always been the 2011 Trekking as mentioned in my post above, I'll try to explain this sudden attack of 'tunnel-vision'.

 

As a member of the 'life-long-learning club', I tend to be very selective when adding new machines to the collection. This selectivity is centered on which machine will give me the most new experiences, or 'bang-for-my-buck' if you like.

 

There was a time when the KTM Macina 29 was very much in my sights, but that machine offered only one 'new-to-me' experience......the Bosch drive system. (My interest in hydraulic disc brakes, the Panasonic Drive and the Alfine hub gear being satisfied in my purchasing the Kalkhoff Sahel Pro Disc)

 

In my final choice of the Haibike Trekking, I get to experience the Bosch drive and the rather curious SRAM Dual-Drive. Another months worth of pensions should see the start of this journey of exploration.

 

Regards

Bob

Edited January 24, 201214 yr by Blew it

Thanks Bob, so have you tried a trekking? or other Bosch powered bike yet?

 

not entirely sure I understand why you seem interested in a 2010 when 2012 now available...was spec better? The new Haibikes that you me and Indalo are considering all have the SRAM Dual-Drive.

 

I used to think 27 gears a waste on an e bike, but my specialised with 27 XT gears I have now started making more use of them. its more important to have efficient gearing with smaller battery, as with a big heavy battery and throttle gearing is not so important I fink

 

I saw this explanation on justebikes site of Sram, I did not "get it" before reading this:

 

"SRAM Dual Drive Gear System: Never miss a gear again! Dual Drive II is the innovative gear shifting system that makes shifting and cycling fun. Effortless one-handed gear-shifts for all gears! The thumb is used to simply select one of the three gear hub shifting levels: uphill, level or downhill – any time, even when stopped. The twist grip is used to operate the rear dérailleur. You can shift any time, even when you’re pedalling hard. Never miss a gear again: maximum riding comfort - from beginner through to experienced tourer."

 

A few Bosch bikes now appearing with the Nu-Vinci hub (just to confuse you more:eek:)

Edited January 24, 201214 yr by eddieo

The DualDrive is a great system for a crank drive e-bike, especially in a hilly area where the gear range allows the best cadences and assist speeds in any circumstances.

 

In my final choice of the Haibike Trekking, I get to experience the Bosch drive and the rather curious SRAM Dual-Drive. Another months worth of pensions should see the start of this journey of exploration.

 

Regards

Bob

 

Very jealous Looking forward to your views on this bike, especially the comparisons with your Kalkhoff Sahel Pro Disc.

Incidentally, are you enjoying the Sahel and did you manage to get a new replacement 18ah battery for the faulty one?

 

Best Regards

 

Ken

Yes. I have DualDrive on the Spirit. Very good indeed. It out performs the 14 speed Rohloff that is on my Street Machine.

Thanks Bob, so have you tried a trekking? or other Bosch powered bike yet?

 

Edd, sorry! I appear to have added still more confusion, I just 'lost' 2011 :o. I have edited today's post, yesterday's post is outside the time limit, so will have to remain incorrect.

 

My reference to last years model is probably not far off the mark, remember, the German manufacturers prefer to deliver an entire years allocation to their retailers at the start of each year. In all probability, the machine I purchase will be the remainder of last years allocation, hence my desire to see a price reduction. If the machine I end up with is from this years allocation, then I will have the bonus of a fresh battery rather than one which is already one year old in terms of chemical ageing, Bosch batteries are no more immune to this than any other Lithium batteries.

 

I have never ridden a Bosch powered bike, and if I may be so bold, I don't need to, I'm quite happy to form an opinion based on the experiences of others. Over the last five years, I have ridden a great many machines, some as a result of ownership and many more taken for extended test rides. All electric bikes, irrespective of how the assistance is provided, require the developement of a riding technique to get the best enjoyment from them, and of course, I'm very easy to please.

did you manage to get a new replacement 18ah battery for the faulty one?

 

 

Kenny, yes, I had to wait a couple of weeks for the next allocation of BMZ batteries to arrive. The battery is performing as expected.

 

An exploration of Fyfield Down Nature Reserve on Sahel is planned for the Spring. This ride will be posted on the forum along with my experiences with Sahel, and of course the BMZ 18ah battery. Spring is not far away now

 

All the best

Bob

Which bank do i rob to get hold of one of these??

Which bank do i rob to get hold of one of these??

 

RBS. They've nicked a fortune from us so shouldn't complain if we imitate their behaviour.

 

While you're about it, help yourself to a large pension, Fred Goodwin of RBS did.

Kitchenman says 'It out performs the 14 speed Rohloff '

 

Noooooo, that's like swearing - it aint right! I had dual drive on my Scorpion trike before I upgraded (or is that 'downgraded') to a Rohloff. With a Rohloff you have 14 speed on one grip, it goes for 10000's of miles without it wearing out and the chain lasts much longer and deraillieur doesn't clog up etc. I would never go back.

 

But saying all that, the dual-drive is good as well - at least you can change 3 gears while stationary.

 

Secondly, with the new 2012 bikes, has the speed limit been solved yet? I would love to replace my mountain bike but the 15mph assist is just not enough.

A few videos on you tube how to de restrict the Bosch..I would have to get some help as although it looks easy enough a bit beyond me.

 

 

What is a major concern is the price of the battery's, as the penny has just dropped and for the Ah rating these are probably the most expensive e bike batteries going....... with the possible exception of BionX:confused:

 

they should be at least £200 cheaper:mad:

Kitchenman says 'It out performs the 14 speed Rohloff '

 

Noooooo, that's like swearing - it aint right!

 

Secondly, with the new 2012 bikes, has the speed limit been solved yet? I would love to replace my mountain bike but the 15mph assist is just not enough.

 

I'm with Kitchenman, I much prefer the Dualdrive, despite the derailleur disadvantages. I don't like the Rohloff noise in the lower gears, or it's "iffy" 7th to 8th gear change. And it's not as efficient as the Dualdrive, despite their unbelievable claims.

 

Units like the Bosch which derive the speed limit from a wheel mounted magnetic sensor can usually achieve higher speeds by transferring the sensor and magnet to the unit and a crank arm. That way the road speed per rotation is multiplied in the higher gears.

I looked at the video of how to make your Bosch go way over 50kph, and it appears to be very straight forward.

 

There's a magnet on the wheel that the control system uses to measure the speed - like on the Tonaro. I'm guessing that the Bosch won't work without receiving pulses from the magnet, so you have to get slower pulses from somewhere other than the wheel. The solution is to remove the sensor from the frame, make a new bracket to bring it close to the back of the crank and put a new magnet on the back of the crank. The sensor then gets pulses from the crank speed (cadence) rather than the wheel, so it thinks you're going much slower than you are and keeps the power on.

 

What a shame the batteries only a puny 8aH. It would be much more worthwhile if it had a 20aH Ping.

 

In the video, the guy makes a rather clever reversing latching bracket so that you can switch the sensor between the wheel magnet and the crank magnet. I guess that's because it'll be difficult to keep the speed down for normal use when unrestricted - maybe like my Beastamatic, which wants to accelerate up to its max speed all the time, which is too fast to pedal.