I would hazard a guess the majority of the country might not be royalist but are either thoroughly indifferent to them or happy enough with the status quo.

My feelings entirely but, my allegiance is strongly biased towards our Queen and her husband, the "dook". I have little time for the rest of them, with the exception of Henry (Harry)...I like Harry. Harry represents the importance of regular injections of new genes into the already too close blood-lines of the royal family.

 

By the same token, I sincerely hope the new Master Mountbatten-Windsor inherits a generous percentage of the Middleton family gene pool. As for a name, how about Robert, that would make him known as "Bob Wales".....ring any bells?

Lynda, and others, I must make my position clear.

I am not an anti-royalist, Welsh separatist.

I just resent being told how to think by a media circus.

If the UK is to have a national anthem, let it praise the country, rather like the opening ceremony of the London Olympics. Other countries, including Wales do this rather than pray for the Monarch.

I acknowledge that Elizabeth is a good Queen, but if anything, I would prefer to give my loyalty to the crown as an abstract concept, rather than an actual person.

Lynda, and others, I must make my position clear.

I am not an anti-royalist, Welsh separatist.

I just resent being told how to think by a media circus.

If the UK is to have a national anthem, let it praise the country, rather like the opening ceremony of the London Olympics. Other countries, including Wales do this rather than pray for the Monarch.

I acknowledge that Elizabeth is a good Queen, but if anything, I would prefer to give my loyalty to the crown as an abstract concept, rather than an actual person.

 

Very well summed up Mike, I hate the propaganda and faking that goes on.

 

Ever noticed how on royal parades through the streets the crowd all seem to have identical little union jacks to wave as the queen or whoever it is passes? Of course teams of people are sent along the route to hand out huge numbers of these. This is a relatively recent development in public behaviour shaping, aka social engineering, and I find it objectionable.

Very well summed up Mike, I hate the propaganda and faking that goes on.

 

Ever noticed how on royal parades through the streets the crowd all seem to have identical little union jacks to wave as the queen or whoever it is passes? Of course teams of people are sent along the route to hand out huge numbers of these. This is a relatively recent development in public behaviour shaping, aka social engineering, and I find it objectionable.

It did occur to me in passing, that perhaps we do not need an actual monarch at all.

Just a crown.

After all, the 20th century saw the passing of using actual gold and silver as money, and we all accept the use of paper notes which represent gold and silver, so why not with a monarch?

Staggeringly, Belgium recently managed very well for months without a government.

Now that's my sort of country!!

Staggeringly, Belgium recently managed very well for months without a government.

Now that's my sort of country!!

 

The other way with lots of governments works too!

 

Italy has had 58 of them since 1945, average life 14 months each, which is why Italians are able to just ignore anything they do and laws they pass!

I will tell you all one thing for nothing.....and I am sure we will all be agreed on this......

 

I would rather be watching excessive media coverage of the hype surrounding the birth of the Royal baby than the truly horrific scenes assailing us today from the media at the site of the disastrous horrific rail crash near Santiago de Compostela.......

 

God rest them all

 

Lynda

It was bad enough having TV programmes and News spoilt by it. Now we've got 9 pages of it here!

It was bad enough having TV programmes and News spoilt by it. Now we've got 9 pages of it here!

 

Steady, Dave, try not to show too much of your caring sympathetic side all at once.......

 

and if you find this thread too irritating, there is a simple remedy......

 

Lynda

 

and if you find this thread too irritating, there is a simple remedy......

 

Lynda

 

Yes, I just tried it, but it doesn't seem to e working

Very well summed up Mike, I hate the propaganda and faking that goes on.

 

Ever noticed how on royal parades through the streets the crowd all seem to have identical little union jacks to wave as the queen or whoever it is passes? Of course teams of people are sent along the route to hand out huge numbers of these. This is a relatively recent development in public behaviour shaping, aka social engineering, and I find it objectionable.

Recent? Nah; in primary school, around 1962, Lizzie visited up the road to open an engineering works or something. We (entire school) trooped out to line the road all waving our little Union Flags like there was no tomorrow. Even then, many of us were totally ambivalent about it, but it was a time off and out in the sunshine (actually, it was a grey day), but whatever.

So, this type of event management was going on long before my day, and yours too.

Oh, we had a good couple of weeks notice of the event, too. And this is the best bit - we made our own flags - one thing about the Union Flag; it's so simple yet absorbing enough for an eight year old to crayon or watercolour out on a sheet.

In short, it's nowt new and the cynical manipulation that it now seems was honestly held opinion and belief on the part of many.

That's not the same thing at all Dave. I'm speaking of squads handing out identical manufactured flags shortly before the procession passes. There's no personal involvement in that, it is just cynical manipulation of bystanders, taking advantage of the fact that most people tend to follow each other and dislike standing out as being different.

Yes, and the difference between that and telling kids to make flags and go out to wave at the Queen would be? You can imagine the fuss there would have been then if anyone had said no.

I hate the propaganda and faking that goes on.

 

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There is far more propaganda, fakery and dishonest goings on at the House of Commons than at the House of Windsor. If i had to choose which one to abolish it certainly would not be The House of Windsor.

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As it happens...I predicted the baby would be called George, but I was hoping for Arthur, we have not had a King Arthur for a while...........

As it happens...I predicted the baby would be called George, but I was hoping for Arthur, we have not had a King Arthur for a while...........

 

I don't think we have yet to have a Arthur except for the legend based on folklore. I agree there have been to many Georges, and Arthur would be a interesting name for a future King

Yes, and the difference between that and telling kids to make flags and go out to wave at the Queen would be? You can imagine the fuss there would have been then if anyone had said no.

 

We've manipulated children for ages, teaching them religion for example. There is a very clear difference between the past processions where some individual flags were waved, mainly by children as you've described, and the official mass issuing of the flag to all present which is a very recent and objectionable phenomenon.

F'kin poxy forum software - I had a long reply typed out and it went down the tubes. Sod it.

My sympathies Dave, it's happened to me a few times. Things have been better since the new forum software incorporates text recovery memory, wasn't that button available for you?

My sympathies Dave, it's happened to me a few times. Things have been better since the new forum software incorporates text recovery memory, wasn't that button available for you?

Couldn't see it - when it's happened before I was able to skip back on Firefox and retrieve it, but not with Chrome.

 

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This one disappeared too; but the auto-restore button was there, this time.

This one disappeared too; but the auto-restore button was there, this time.

 

That's a relief, I switched to Chrome from Firefox recently but hadn't had to use the text recovery. Good to hear it still appears.

 

An aside, I think Mozilla must be losing Firefox users in droves now, especially since the upgrade to version 15.