the zephyr-b has similar weight, similar BPM motor, same sized wheels, and also hydraulic brakes. The battery is a bit smaller (10AH instead of 13AH) but priced well within your budget.

Folding was supposed to be for my wife. I ended up folding because I could not find a suitable one that ticks all my boxes.

 

Since the beginning my eyes were on Oxygen 11AH one, but OOS, I went to at least 6 dealers hunting for this. 13Ah was out of my reach because of the price!!!

 

Damn!!!

Hi Tapash,

 

This may not work for you, but what did you buy already, how much would you lose selling it and getting the Oxygen that you really really want now?

 

A word of caution when taking this course of action, there could be something else that you find even more desirable in a month or so, but more importantly, how would this go down with the other half?

I agree with John's suggestion, how about selling your Volt Metro second hand and get yourself a new Oxygen 13Ah MTB? You've got a good deal out of Volt for buying two, it should not be a big loss selling one.

Well, I don't know who would want to buy a second hand one now? And How much Would I get for volt?

 

Also noticed [mention=4665]trex[/mention] mentioned Oxygen MTB may not have cut-off break!!! which is really BIG concern, specially in a busy road of London city. If that is the case, I wouldn't really regret not getting oxygen now...

there are plenty of bikes without brake sensors! I don't mean it as a criticism, all the Bosch bikes do not have brake sensors although they don't have throttle and are torque controlled.

I reckon you'd get £700 for your Volt Metro.

Well, I don't know who would want to buy a second hand one now? And How much Would I get for volt?

 

Also as [mention=4665]trex[/mention] mentioned Oxygen MTB may not have cut-off break!!! which is really BIG concern, specially in a busy road of London city. If that is the case, I wouldn't really regret not getting oxygen.

You won't know how much you could get for your Volt unless you put it up for sale.

Personally I would not be concerned about the lack of cut offs.

 

I think you might be talking yourself out of changing what you already have.

Hi Tapash,

 

This may not work for you, but what did you buy already, how much would you lose selling it and getting the Oxygen that you really really want now?

 

A word of caution when taking this course of action, there could be something else that you find even more desirable in a month or so, but more importantly, how would this go down with the other half?

I'd take the word of caution very seriously - there's always something new and hugely desirable that comes along. I have the oxygen kit on a beat up old racer. i used to be unhappy about this (no shocks or disc brakes). last week the car died - i had to do 100 plus miles on it since and have discovred all kinds of joy in flinging the old racer around corners and potholes and averaging 24 mph as i fly around. i'd enjoy what i have if i were you.

Window shopping after purchasing an object of desire is never a good idea.

@selrahc1992 [uSER=330]@Cyclezee[/uSER] I think you guys are right. I should stick to what I have.

and let progress pass you by? there is more to enjoy in e-biking than the Metro!

Does anyone know what the legal position is when fitting a kit? I am thinking of finishing the Wisper DaaHub system, but cant find out whether a bike fitted with a kit should have an EN15194 certificate to make it legal to use on the roads in the UK from January 1 2016?

 

Thanks,

 

David

Trex is wrong about the brake cut-out. It does indeed have one, as any owner will confirm. I like the woosh Big Bear, but it's chalk and cheese when you compare it with the Oxygen. As soon as you ride them, you'll discover that. Just about everybody that rides the Oxygen comments on how good it is. I guess the price was always a barrier, but not now - until July at least.

Does anyone know what the legal position is when fitting a kit? I am thinking of finishing the Wisper DaaHub system, but cant find out whether a bike fitted with a kit should have an EN15194 certificate to make it legal to use on the roads in the UK from January 1 2016?

 

Thanks,

 

David

 

If you built a bike with the kit installed and had it tested, you would have a certificate of compliance. Some kits (like Oxydrive) are identical to what's fitted to OEM bikes, as if it's simply been removed and sold as a kit, in which case there should be question of compliance. Alternatively, if each component is already certified as compliant by the manufacturers, the kit would be compliant. Both these situations should be enough to protect the seller if you have provided suitable installation instructions.

thanks [mention=4665]trex[/mention] for your encouragement. But i think i don't wanna loose whole lot of money. I would wait to catch up with trend in a year time i guess.

Does anyone know what the legal position is when fitting a kit? I am thinking of finishing the Wisper DaaHub system, but cant find out whether a bike fitted with a kit should have an EN15194 certificate to make it legal to use on the roads in the UK from January 1 2016?

 

Thanks,

 

David

 

EN 15194 only concerns the safety of electric part of the vehicle, whereas for the bicycle part EN 14764 applies and finally the whole system has to obey the EAPC regulations.

 

For the answer you need confirmation of what steps are required by the responsible UK governing bodies.

 

edit - BT playing upgrade silly beggers all this week - getting cut off the internet mid reply.

Edited June 12, 201510 yr by shemozzle999

I don't think you can give a kit EN15194 because you can't know their future situation with E

Trex is wrong about the brake cut-out. It does indeed have one, as any owner will confirm. .

 

where is it? can't see the sensor at the brake levers.

While there are many reasons for selecting one type or make of EAPC over another, two considerations for an awful lot of potential buyers rank somewhere near the top of the list; one is price and another is weight.

 

Now, while not everyone is concerned by either, many people would like to be able to attach their bike to their car, two bikes in some cases. The Big Bear at 26Kgs is too heavy for most cycle carriers even minus the battery. The Oxygen MTB comes in at 21Kgs which, after battery removal, reduces the weight to under 20Kgs, the limit for high-end cycle carriers. Most roof or tailgate cycle carriers have a limit of 15Kgs for each bike attached so for the heavyweight models such as the BB, the only safe way for transportation by car is either inside the vehicle or on a towbar-mounted carrier.

 

In terms of price, the Oxygen at its current price seems great value for the power and quality on offer, (I haven't ridden one). That said, the Whoosh models have all provided fairly decent quality and power for quite a long time now. They appear very good value although again, I haven't ridden one.

 

I'm not sure I'd want to swap my Kalkhoff PC for the Oxygen though as it really is very good.

 

Tom

woosh are moving to lightweight bikes. The forthcoming Woosh Karoo (beginning of August?) weighs only 19kgs, complete with 13AH battery and front and rear Avid brakes.

 

I don't think you can give a kit EN15194 because you can't know their future situation with E

 

 

where is it? can't see the sensor at the brake levers.

I've been sworn to secrecy. Oxygen don't want their competitors to get hold of the technology. If I told you, I'd have to kill you, then the forum would become boring.

there are plenty of bikes without brake sensors! I don't mean it as a criticism, all the Bosch bikes do not have brake sensors although they don't have throttle and are torque controlled.

I reckon you'd get £700 for your Volt Metro.

 

Quite often the brake sensor is a tension sensor in the rear brake line only,I think our Cobra bike has this setup,it passes EN15194,I suppose the theory is that you would always brake with the rear first.

It may be the same on the Oxygen,which would be the reason why no brake cutouts on the levers.

Just a thought.

KudosDave

Quite often the brake sensor is a tension sensor in the rear brake line only,I think our Cobra bike has this setup,it passes EN15194,I suppose the theory is that you would always brake with the rear first.

It may be the same on the Oxygen,which would be the reason why no brake cutouts on the levers.

Just a thought.

KudosDave

Nice try, but no cigar!

it's got Tektro Auriga hydraulic brakes like on your Rapide, so can't use inline brake sensors.

The brakes are sufficiently powerful, no real need for brake sensors but just a point of curiosity or they've saved some money.

No Dave,risk the temptation,enjoy the sunshine,don't get controversial,it will only cause arguments,trex will quote Woosh, will find an Ansmann or Cyclezee,oh sod it....the best value electric mountain bike is the Kudos Tornado....oh,regret it already,flak helmets at the ready,hehe.....

KudosDave

Now on d8veh's hit list;)

 

And

woosh are moving to lightweight bikes. The forthcoming Woosh Karoo (beginning of August?) weighs only 19kgs, complete with 13AH battery and front and rear Avid brakes.

 

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when do we get to see what the new bikes look like?