Believe it or not this is a move I applaud. Removing the rebate removes the market for fuel washing . Now farmers and other users should still be entitled to rebates ..but only on quantities actually consumed . It is relatively easy to do this in the financial accounts.

In my part of the country, washed diesel is more than a cottage industry. The chemical residue is left in side roads in 1000 litre tanks for disposal by our local authority. The residue is heavily acidic . Also the washed diesel,with the dye extracted ,is not conducive to engine lifetime.

The criminal aspects of red diesel are appalling, I agree.

 

But I also question the impact of the end of red diesel on bodies such as local authorities and airports. Not out of sympathy but simply out of consideration of how budgets and contracts will be impacted.

 

Gritters

Cutting verges, hedges and trees.

Snow clearers

Road surfacing vehicles

Tar sprayers

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/red-diesel-call-for-evidence/red-diesel-call-for-evidence

 

Use for cooling on lorries has also seemed nonsensical as it forces them to have two separate fuel systems - one red/one not - in order to utilise the tax advantage.

 

(Wouldn't it be a good idea to phase out red diesel - or equivalent - across Europe in one go?)

The criminal aspects of red diesel are appalling, I agree.

 

But I also question the impact of the end of red diesel on bodies such as local authorities and airports. Not out of sympathy but simply out of consideration of how budgets and contracts will be impacted.

 

Gritters

Cutting verges, hedges and trees.

Snow clearers

Road surfacing vehicles

Tar sprayers

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/red-diesel-call-for-evidence/red-diesel-call-for-evidence

 

Use for cooling on lorries has also seemed nonsensical as it forces them to have two separate fuel systems - one red/one not - in order to utilise the tax advantage.

 

(Wouldn't it be a good idea to phase out red diesel - or equivalent - across Europe in one go?)

There is no reason why legitimate use of Diesel by these authorities would not just get a paper trail rebate. It need only be a VAT return entry.

Incidentally our RoI Red Diesel is or was Green Diesel ..(why I wonder?).

The criminal aspects of red diesel are appalling, I agree.

 

But I also question the impact of the end of red diesel on bodies such as local authorities and airports. Not out of sympathy but simply out of consideration of how budgets and contracts will be impacted.

 

Gritters

Cutting verges, hedges and trees.

Snow clearers

Road surfacing vehicles

Tar sprayers

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/red-diesel-call-for-evidence/red-diesel-call-for-evidence

 

Use for cooling on lorries has also seemed nonsensical as it forces them to have two separate fuel systems - one red/one not - in order to utilise the tax advantage.

 

(Wouldn't it be a good idea to phase out red diesel - or equivalent - across Europe in one go?)

 

Our current UK law on red diesel is very complicated. For example it can be used in boats for a wide variety of uses, including propulsion, but not navigation. Work that one out!

 

Basically though it's not approved for pleasure boating propulsion while it can be used for all other purposes on board, such as heating, cooking, refrigeration etc.

 

It will be interesting to learn what the chancellor intends, since it's also used for home heating which could mean a huge rise in those costs for householders.

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For those who live in England and are not old enough, young enough, on some benefits or suffering in various ways already, you are now treated to:

 

The NHS prescription charge in England is set to increase by 15p to £9.15 from April.

 

The Government has announced that the price of single prescriptions and prescription prepayment certificates - essentially season tickets which cover the cost of all prescriptions over a certain period - will rise from Wednesday 1 April.

 

Here's what's changing:

• Single prescriptions will increase from £9 to £9.15.
  
• Three-month prescription prepayment certificates will increase from £29.10 to £29.65.
  
• 12-month prescription prepayment certificates will increase from £104 to £105.90.
  

If you ain't got exemption, and realise you need a prepaid certificate, get an FP57 receipt for each prescription you hannd in and you can get a refund when you get your PPC. No FP57 - no refund.

Edited March 4, 20206 yr by oyster

The farmers will love this:

 

Maybe an indication that the farmers are about to be sold down the river in the way our fishermen (and women*) are about to be.

 

* I just couldn't bring myself to type fisherpersons.

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There is no reason why legitimate use of Diesel by these authorities would not just get a paper trail rebate. It need only be a VAT return entry.

Incidentally our RoI Red Diesel is or was Green Diesel ..(why I wonder?).

VAT and public bodies really causes major problems.

 

Many years ago, an involvement with the NHS let me into some of the issues. Like if a new project is being planned they do not, initially, know if they will be able to reclaim the VAT. So they usually make an allowance which is approximately the effective VAT rate the organisation currently pays overall.

 

On a £10,000 project, they might allow 15% VAT - so £11,500. But at the end of the project they could have to pay 20% or 0%.

Maybe an indication that the farmers are about to be sold down the river in the way our fishermen (and women*) are about to be.

 

* I just couldn't bring myself to type fisherpersons.

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They have already made the fields into waterways in preparation.

Here's what's changing:

• Single prescriptions will increase from £9 to £9.15.
  
• Three-month prescription prepayment certificates will increase from £29.10 to £29.65.
  
• 12-month prescription prepayment certificates will increase from £104 to £105.90.

Now we pensioners have lost our free TV licences, I can see the free prescriptions disappearing too with this government and Brexit.

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The farmers will love this:

 

Rishi Sunak is set to announce in next week's budget that red diesel - so-called because it is marked with a dye - will no longer attract a lower fuel duty. It currently accounts for about 15% of total diesel sales in the UK and costs the Treasury about £2.4bn a year in revenue.

Fury over chancellor’s plans to scrap red diesel duty rate

 

 

 

© Tim Scrivener

 

Farmers have reacted with fury and astonishment to fresh reports that the chancellor is considering scrapping the lower rate of fuel duty on red diesel.

Rishi Sunak is reportedly planning to end the 11.1p/litre duty rate and charge users the full 57.7p/litre fuel tax at next week’s Budget, according to reports in today’s Financial Times.

If implemented, average farm diesel prices would rise to more than 98p/litre – an almost 50% rise in the cost of fuel – and would exceed £1/litre if oil prices return to January levels.

There is no reason why legitimate use of Diesel by these authorities would not just get a paper trail rebate. It need only be a VAT return entry.

Incidentally our RoI Red Diesel is or was Green Diesel ..(why I wonder?).

If RoI retains Green Red Diesel, what will there be to stop NI farmers filling up in RoI?

If RoI retains Green Red Diesel, what will there be to stop NI farmers filling up in RoI?

 

Surely the Unionist farmers wouldn't dream of such a thing? They insist they must be treated exactly the same way as we are in the mainland UK.

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Surely the Unionist farmers wouldn't dream of such a thing? They insist they must be treated exactly the same way as we are in the mainland UK.

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Nothing to stop E, S & W farmers doing the same. Not as if there is a border of any sort in the Irish Sea? Or a phytosanitary border meaning full scrub down procedures - both ways - surely?

Brexit gets worse every day

Brexitshambles@brexit_sha

1h

 

So we're going to war with the EU over fish that we currently sell to the EU? #BrexitLogic

 

Tory government tells EU that royal navy will be sent in to protect …

The environment secretary has warned the EU that the UK has taken “sufficient” steps to protect its waters after Brexit, as fears grow of a French blockade. The royal navy boasts three extra ships

independent.co.uk

oldgroaner@oldgroaner

 

Replying to

@brexit_sham

How juvenile can this Government get? what happens if the EU boycott the fish we catch? for goodness sake some adult get a grip of this Government of children, and if the French Navy intervenes? has any clown thought of that?

Our current UK law on red diesel is very complicated. (Snip)

 

since it's also used for home heating which could mean a huge rise in those costs for householders.

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Red diesel and heating oil are different. They have different colours and chemical traces and they attract different revenue rates.

 

Any increase in red diesel cost will affect me although the amount that I use is so small I won’t notice it to be fair.

 

It will stop the road hauliers that currently use it illegally in tractors for none agricultural purposes benefiting from revenue fraud and I have to say that won’t disappoint me.

what happens if the EU boycott the fish we catch?

 

It's thought that they would apply tariffs rather than boycott, that will be just as damaging for our market there with tariffs at perhaps at 20% or more.

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There is no reason why legitimate use of Diesel by these authorities would not just get a paper trail rebate. It need only be a VAT return entry.

Incidentally our RoI Red Diesel is or was Green Diesel ..(why I wonder?).

 

Proving the actual usage to obtain the rebate may in fact be the driver behind this.

 

It’s far too easy to have a delivery of red (edit) or green of course which is then shared between vehicles that should and shouldn’t obtain the rebate.

 

At the moment there is no way to know what is happening without actually dipping the tank and looking at what is being carried on the journey type.

 

 

(Edit) our heating oil is green and the revenue do dip to confirm that you’re not using green on the road

Claiming tax back for diesel used off road would be no harder than self employed people claiming for business use mileage (as they are trusted to do now)

It’s far too easy to have a delivery of red (edit) or green of course which is then shared between vehicles that should and shouldn’t obtain the rebate.

 

All over the UK, including here in London, there are red diesel pump outlets blatantly serving any car driver directly into the vehicle as well as cans, without question, and seemingly perfectly legally.

 

They have a notices on each pump and on the adjacent walls, warning against illegal use and that appears to protect them from prosecution. As usual in the UK, the legal onus falls on the user, not the supplier.

 

If the government is serious about stopping this and other similar abuses, like the supply of illegal two wheelers, that principle in our law needs to be changed to add supplier liability.

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Red diesel and heating oil are different. They have different colours and chemical traces and they attract different revenue rates.

 

Thanks for this information, I wouldn't know since I've been firmly an environmentalist for some sixty years and avoid fossil fuel use as far as possible, much easier now than formerly.

 

First thing I did when I bought my newly built property 52 years ago was rip out all gas, including having the meter removed and switching to electricity. That was more from principle than effect back then, but now I use it entirely from a renewables only supplier who declares the supplied proportions every month.

 

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Edited March 4, 20206 yr by flecc

Is that where you have to eat crow?

 

A bit like 30 Years ago - 1990: Gummer enlists daughter in BSE campaign to eat cow ;-)

 

 

Now we've got Boris going around shaking hands with everyone despite expert's advice...

A bit like 30 Years ago - 1990: Gummer enlists daughter in BSE campaign to eat cow ;-)

Now we've got Boris going around shaking hands with everyone despite expert's advice...

 

It's in his interests, the worse this becomes, the better the excuse for any economic failure becomes. If the pandemic doesn't materialise here, he'll claim that was due to his measures.

 

For him it's win win.

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It's thought that they would apply tariffs rather than boycott, that will be just as damaging for our market there with tariffs at perhaps at 20% or more.

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I'm sure you're right about the EU itself,

but the French, well they know a thing or two 'eh?

Usually a VERY DIRECT THING if you know what I mean!

All over the UK, including here in London, there are red diesel pump outlets blatantly serving any car driver directly into the vehicle as well as cans, without question, and seemingly perfectly legally.

 

They have a notices on each pump and on the adjacent walls, warning against illegal use and that appears to protect them from prosecution. As usual in the UK, the legal onus falls on the user, not the supplier.

 

If the government is serious about stopping this and other similar abuses, like the supply of illegal two wheelers, that principle in our law needs to be changed to add supplier liability.

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I agree.

 

There are different types of miss use, some small scale fiddling

 

Now I live in a small agricultural community, there is the odd road vehicle running on red but it’s not too common as there is roadside testing, People don’t benefit too much from running an old Pickup on red, the amount of money involved is fairly small and likelihood of detection is high. The van is very often parked at sales and auctions etc. Now it might be significant to a very small business but in revenue terms the cost of control probably exceeds the recovered revenue. It’s to send a message I guess.

 

At the other end of the spectrum a large haulier can make a big difference to their operating cost by creative descriptions of loads and types of vehicle used.

 

Measures to target large-scale would make that business fairer

Red diesel and heating oil are different. They have different colours and chemical traces and they attract different revenue rates.

 

Any increase in red diesel cost will affect me although the amount that I use is so small I won’t notice it to be fair.

 

It will stop the road hauliers that currently use it illegally in tractors for none agricultural purposes benefiting from revenue fraud and I have to say that won’t disappoint me.

Unless measures are taken, it will also affect diesel usage on the railways.

 

Which will make decisions like using diesel for trains on the route between Cardiff and Swansea a bad decision at yet another level.

Unless measures are taken, it will also affect diesel usage on the railways.

 

Which will make decisions like using diesel for trains on the route between Cardiff and Swansea a bad decision at yet another level.

 

I wouldn’t like to form an opinion based on “shite“ in the press