How can you post this when the British voted in Boris Johnson as PM with one of the largest majorities ever in an unfixed election? The degree of their rationalising behind that was truly extraordinary.

That reminds me of the 1979 election MT against Callaghan when MT won 44 majority followed by the 1983 MT against Michael Foot when she won by a thumping 144 majority.

Labour in 1979 tried to scare voters claiming that the tories will let firms going to the wall. Clearly, most voters would rather paying less personal tax even if their employers hit the buffers.

In 1983, Labour wanted to leave the EC and denuclearisation. Not many were interested.

In 1987, MT beat Kinnock with a reduced majority to 102. Labour's tactics was to make Kinnock into a popstar.

Later, MT was forced to resign on the poll tax.

It's clear that Labour will have to address the low tax issue that this country is addicted to.

That reminds me of the 1979 election MT against Callaghan when MT won 44 majority followed by the 1983 MT against Michael Foot when she won by a thumping 144 majority.

Labour in 1979 tried to scare voters claiming that the tories will let firms going to the wall. Clearly, most voters would rather paying less personal tax even if their employers hit the buffers.

In 1983, Labour wanted to leave the EC and denuclearisation.

In 1987, MT beat Kinnock with a reduced majority to 102. Labour's tactics was to make Kinnock into a popstar.

Later, MT was forced to resign on the poll tax.

It's clear that Labour will have to address the low tax issue that this country is addicted to.

We have to choose between becoming sweden or (an impoverished unsuccesful) texas. I'd prefer sweden

It's clear that Labour will have to address the low tax issue that this country is addicted to.

 

It's even more fundamental than low tax, it's an obsession with low cost everything.

 

Starting with Ted Heath's abandonment of RPM (resale price maintenance) in 1964 and the discount culture that followed, the British have become a nation knowing the price of everything but the value of nothing.

 

Everywhere in manufacturing, retailing and governance, quality is sacrificed for the lowest possible cost because that is what the public demand. So we end up with supermarkets stocking appallingly poor quality foods. Widespread availability of substandard manufactured items dishonestly sold. A cut price and hopelessly inadequate NHS dominated by the rulings of NICE (National Institute for Clinical Excellence, never can a body have been so dishonestly named). A care system that falls even more short than the NHS. A welfare state that ensures the welfare of those in genuine need is rarely met without suffering being involved. A country where even essential services like the Coastguard, marine rescue, health services and even litter picking are done by armies of volunteers due to the shortfall or absence of any official provision.

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We have to choose between becoming sweden or (an impoverished unsuccesful) texas. I'd prefer sweden

 

100% agree, but it's not government to blame, it's the public. See my above post.

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Damned feint praise:

 

Boris Johnson is “not a complete clown”, his new communications director has said as he revealed the prime minister initiated a defiant rendition of Gloria Gaynor’s I Will Survive when the pair met last week.

Everywhere in manufacturing, retailing and governance, quality is sacrificed for the lowest possible cost because that is what the public demand. So we end up with supermarkets stocking appallingly poor quality foods. Widespread availability of substandard manufactured items dishonestly sold. A cut price and hopelessly inadequate NHS dominated by the rulings of NICE (National Institute for Clinical Excellence, never can a body have been so dishonestly named). A care system that falls even more short than the NHS. A welfare state that ensures the welfare of those in genuine need is rarely met without suffering being involved.

so what do you think Labour should do to win votes?

 

Zlatan has already mentioned the problem with general education and attainment among Labour MPs compared to the conservatives.

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so what do you think Labour should do to win votes?

 

Zlatan has already mentioned the problem with general education and attainment among Labour MPs compared to the conservatives.

Offer Classics courses to all existing and prospective Labour MPs?

so what do you think Labour should do to win votes?

 

That's the nightmare. Jeremy Corbyn knew what was necessary for the country to head towards the Swedish model but was too scared to say as much, knowing that was the last thing the people wanted, high levels of taxation. They want the benefits but none of the costs.

 

There is no simple solution since the cut price path is a one way street, a bit like falling into a very deep hole. Dead easy to do but very difficult to climb out of. Moving to low costs is very easy and welcomed by the voter. Reversing that is nigh on impossible.

 

If we were in strong economic situation we could borrow to provide all the benefits in advance of introducing promised higher costs, so the public could see the benefits of the different system.

 

But starting with just the higher costs accompanied by promises won't work, given the public's mistrust of politics now.

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I went to pick up a prescription for a local anaesthetic skin cream/ointment to help with ongoing shingles pain. The pharmacy couldn't initially find it but then laughed - but I didn't know why.

 

When I eventually picked it up - it is Vagisil. I might be the only male having had that prescribed.

 

Seems it is the cheapest lidocaine product.

https://road.cc/content/news/pedal-me-bans-cargo-bike-riders-wearing-helmets-290133

Think Flecc said this years ago.

There is no simple solution since the cut price path is a one way street, a bit like falling into a very deep hole. Dead easy to do but very difficult to climb out of. Moving to low costs is very easy and welcomed by the voter. Reversing that is nigh on impossible.

 

If we were in strong economic situation we could borrow to provide all the benefits in advance of introducing promised higher costs, so the public could see the benefits of the different system.

 

But starting with just the higher costs accompanied by promises won't work, given the public's mistrust of politics now.

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if you are in a hole, stop digging! that may work.

https://road.cc/content/news/pedal-me-bans-cargo-bike-riders-wearing-helmets-290133

Think Flecc said this years ago.

 

I wasn't taking any extra risks, and if I hadn't been wearing a helmet, I'd have had a serious head injury, as well as a broken wrist! The left side of my head would have been bashed in, judging by the bang

 

 

if you are in a hole, stop digging! that may work.

 

I can't see anything that can work for Labour to establish itself beyond one possible term. The combination of national debt, our circumstances and a middle of the road Starmer led government are going to lead to continuing voter dissatisfaction well into the future.

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Kier Starmer bundled into police car...

That scene reminds me of Trump's Proud Boys.

Unless I am mistaken, the Mail and zlatan posted about Savile weeks before.

That scene reminds me of Trump's Proud Boys.

Unless I am mistaken, the Mail and zlatan posted about Savile weeks before.

 

Will we see Zlatan storming the capital by ebike?

Will we see Zlatan storming the capital by ebike?

Grossly unfair to Zlatan - even if, in Jimmy Carr style, a joke.

Grossly unfair to Zlatan - even if, in Jimmy Carr style, a joke.

 

Not as gross as this:

 

Starmer storms the moral high ground by this response re Carrie and her activities:

 

The Labour leader said: “I approach politics on the basis that we should treat people with respect. We can profoundly disagree but we should treat people with respect. And I would take exactly that approach with Carrie Johnson.

 

“Obviously, respect differences of opinion, but I do not go along with the idea that we should drag everybody into the gutter.”

 

Obviously ripe for revision if solid evidence comes out.

Starmer storms the moral high ground by this response re Carrie and her activities:

 

The Labour leader said: “I approach politics on the basis that we should treat people with respect. We can profoundly disagree but we should treat people with respect. And I would take exactly that approach with Carrie Johnson.

 

“Obviously, respect differences of opinion, but I do not go along with the idea that we should drag everybody into the gutter.”

 

Obviously ripe for revision if solid evidence comes out.

 

Again, he's not taking any position with "And I would". Spineless and profoundly annoying. It's no wonder voters don't have a clue about what he actually stands for.

so what do you think Labour should do to win votes?

 

Zlatan has already mentioned the problem with general education and attainment among Labour MPs compared to the conservatives.

 

Elocution lessons? Or forcing them to use their "Phone voice", at the very least. Entrenched, class is! (there's no Yoda icon)

I went to pick up a prescription for a local anaesthetic skin cream/ointment to help with ongoing shingles pain. The pharmacy couldn't initially find it but then laughed - but I didn't know why.

 

When I eventually picked it up - it is Vagisil. I might be the only male having had that prescribed.

 

Seems it is the cheapest lidocaine product.

 

 

Isn't that just a local anaesthetic? Is your condition worsened by cold weather? Is avoiding arginine a good idea? Lots of arginine in Xmas celebratory activities: chocolates, nuts etc. Apply frozen peas (surrounded by thin cloth) to painful areas for 20 mins max three times a day, to reduce pain?

Elocution lessons? Or forcing them to use their "Phone voice", at the very least. Entrenched, class is! (there's no Yoda icon)

I really have not a clue. The internet age has introduced so many new words that rubbish old values, like labelling political correctness as wokeism, decency as virtue signalling and you score a point with your home team. Not so long ago, schools insisted on teaching children how to handwrite and arithmetics. The mobile phone changed all that.

Isn't that just a local anaesthetic? Is your condition worsened by cold weather? Is avoiding arginine a good idea? Lots of arginine in Xmas celebratory activities: chocolates, nuts etc. Apply frozen peas (surrounded by thin cloth) to painful areas for 20 mins max three times a day, to reduce pain?

Yes - that is all it is. But there are few recognized treatments for the pain.

 

Another is capsaicin - they anaesthetise you with lidocaine then apply, effectively, hot chilli juice.

 

Afraid cold as in peas has not been much help.

Yes - that is all it is. But there are few recognized treatments for the pain.

 

Another is capsaicin - they anaesthetise you with lidocaine then apply, effectively, hot chilli juice.

 

Afraid cold as in peas has not been much help.

 

Sent you a PM about Lysine powder, but here's a link:

 

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Best-Naturals-Lysine-Powder-Pound/dp/B01L9TWESQ/ref=