I concur with egroover. Mudguards and rack essential for your average uk user. Suspension fork for the higher speeds you maintain on rough ground and terrible roads! ebikes become your car and you find you use it more than you planned.

Seriously, your judging the other components by something that everyone changes on every bike after buying ? The bike must be crap, it's got a £2 bell on it lol

 

Yes it says everything about the bike, I wore out my first set of tyres.

Seriously, your judging the other components by something that everyone changes on every bike after buying ? The bike must be crap, it's got a £2 bell on it lol

I still have the original tyres and never needed to change them, over 9000 miles on the Delite.

Quality bikes cost more because of the use of quality parts.

Everyone does not change tyres or have a mobile phone, why do you assume such things? Most people might, doesn't say there're right. More voted for Brexit didn't they?

The cube is good buy. Components are well specced for what you need it for. Deore are good midrange shifters. The brakes are lower end but a excellent when matched with 180mm disks and should prove reliable. An air fork would be nice but at this price you can't have everything. Most importantly it has brilliant motor with best battery.

 

Fit a Fox 32 fork and you would have excellent MTB.

Fit a Fox 32 fork and you would have excellent MTB.

I wonder how much you would spend on a suspension fork?

I still have the original tyres and never needed to change them, over 9000 miles on the Delite.

Quality bikes cost more because of the use of quality parts.

Everyone does not change tyres or have a mobile phone, why do you assume such things? Most people might, doesn't say there're right. More voted for Brexit didn't they?

 

You're comparing a Delite which retail at £4k+ with a bike that's half that price ? Quality bikes as you put it do cost much more because they use more expensive components, you don't get that for free you pay for it in the cost of the bike. I wouldn't expect to change the tyres on a £4k+ bike either. If Cube put Marathon Plus tyres on it's bikes they have to charge an extra £60 on the price of the bike, I'd be happy to have the choice if I want to change them or not. The point I was trying to make is that the rest of the componentry is good/excellent at this price point.

I shouldn't of generalised with the term everyone, I thought it would of been obvious this didn't apply to very top end bikes (as yours)

Yes it says everything about the bike, I wore out my first set of tyres.

 

So hows the £10 Schwalbes on the Cube any different to the £10 Schwalbe Rapid Robs they put on the Haibike Sduro SL29 ?

Having just gone through the purchase process I do think there's a real opportunity for one of the manufacturers to take a leaf out of Mini's book and offer a custom bike service.

When you buy a Mini you basically just choose your body style and motor then can alter almost everything else.

In the bike world, suppose you could settle on a frame and motor then choose to upgrade your saddle, add a suspension seat post, better brakes, forks, gearset, lighting, add a rack, maybe (in the case of Bosch,) upgrade the computer, add an adjustable stem, and finally choose a colour.

I'd have had a better saddle, forks and computer with a different colour and would have probably spent a few hundred pounds extra.

And yes, of course I can do all of these things later but will end up with a pile of unwanted components.

I predict that the first manufacturer to really get behind this concept will drive their average selling price up by 10 - 25%

Having just gone through the purchase process I do think there's a real opportunity for one of the manufacturers to take a leaf out of Mini's book and offer a custom bike service.

When you buy a Mini you basically just choose your body style and motor then can alter almost everything else.

In the bike world, suppose you could settle on a frame and motor then choose to upgrade your saddle, add a suspension seat post, better brakes, forks, gearset, lighting, add a rack, maybe (in the case of Bosch,) upgrade the computer, add an adjustable stem, and finally choose a colour.

I'd have had a better saddle, forks and computer with a different colour and would have probably spent a few hundred pounds extra.

And yes, of course I can do all of these things later but will end up with a pile of unwanted components.

I predict that the first manufacturer to really get behind this concept will drive their average selling price up by 10 - 25%

The idea comes at a price though

The fact is that it's the marginal gains that make profits for manufacturers. I used to reckon that if I could increase my turnover by 10% then it would add up to 40% to my net profit. So, when I bought my Mini I remember adding a wooden steering wheel for about £100. I bet that only cost £25 to add to the package.

Yes but you start speccing cars up and the lead time increase

 

Just ordered a new fabia and delivery is quoted as November

 

Most people want a bike there and then and manufacturers certainly won't want to offer you the option of taking there seat off and putting Fred bloggs seat on

 

That would be down to the shop selling to stick bare frames motors etc and building it for you instore and warranty wise would be a.nightmare i suspect

http://www.noahsark.co.uk/bike-service-in-gloucestershire-i51

 

Bike Build

• Complete build (includes adoption of bike for warranty + 1 F.O.C. service) - P.O.A.
  

the warranty comes with all the parts on it that you want ie frame wheels ect.

Same with Mini, you can purchase one from stock if you want, but most people want to spec their own car. Most parts on most bikes seem to be bought in.

It is more complicated to administer and takes a higher degree of organisation by the manufacturer and the suppliers, but based on my experience anyone offering it would pick up plenty of extra market share in addition to raising the average price of their final orders.

But I agree that it will probably never happen and that there will still be a brisk trade on eBay for the discarded bits as purchases upgrade!

tho ktm bikes on here said no reason why they wont sell a frame so if you can get one of those and a Yamaha motor and batt it could be done.

 

if i have to buy a new bike all id want is the frame rear sus motor and batt.

tho ktm bikes on here said no reason why they wont sell a frame so if you can get one of those and a Yamaha motor and batt it could be done.

 

if i have to buy a new bike all id want is the frame rear sus motor and batt.

Don't forget some little Willies for the valves and Power Ranger brakes

So hows the £10 Schwalbes on the Cube any different to the £10 Schwalbe Rapid Robs they put on the Haibike Sduro SL29 ?

 

My SL29 was a lot less than £2000

 

For £ 2000 the Cube is a low spec bike at a high price

Same with Mini, you can purchase one from stock if you want, but most people want to spec their own car. Most parts on most bikes seem to be bought in.

It is more complicated to administer and takes a higher degree of organisation by the manufacturer and the suppliers, but based on my experience anyone offering it would pick up plenty of extra market share in addition to raising the average price of their final orders.

But I agree that it will probably never happen and that there will still be a brisk trade on eBay for the discarded bits as purchases upgrade!

 

.. variance costs .. colleagues of mine from Germany once told me that every vw golf was unique or at most two identical. When you factor in body colour, upholstery, wheel trim , motor type, fuel ., power, wheel size, audio system, etc etc. . However that means having a sales agent talking through options , and entering data into a database. It also means having multiple inventory, all costing money. In the case of VW the perceived value in having a unique vehicle to the German consumer was worth the extra cost. They have automated production lines with computerised inventory, and waiting lists of up to 6 months. That is the cost of variance.

The bicycle construction business might be as automated, but who is going to talk the consumer through the options... And who will pay them.

Don't forget some little Willies for the valves and Power Ranger brakes

.... Are we getting smutty?

That's good advice. Local bike shops do KTM, Kalkoff, Giant and Cube. slightly further away are dealers for Raleigh, Cityzen, Freego, Haibike etc. as regards surface country roads as well as old (unsurfaced) railway lines is what I mean. Is that clearer. Not rough terrain.

I would see the sweet spot as being at around1500 pounds plus. Don't ignore the Raleigh Motus as being a contender. At 1200kmand 6 months , my smile still exists.

I think the cube is well specced for the money

 

If it was my £2k I'd get the slightly 'touring' version of your choice, this one http://www.tredz.co.uk/.Cube-Cross-Hybrid-Pro-Allroad-500-2017-Electric-Bike_97468.htm

 

It's a shame you couldn't of used one of their £300 off easter vouchers (£2k+) last week on the Tredz site. I think they do regular discount codes

Good luck

egroover - I have checked your recommendation which looks attractive with its 'commuting' features but it doesn't seem to be in stock anywhere up here.

You'll find most of the popular models in common frame sizes are on back order. Worth waiting though.

This could be worth a look http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Scott-Venture-Bosch-Ebike-Electric-Bike-/302285345032?hash=item46619c5108:g:2GEAAOSw5UZY82gl

Not sure where you are but Wheelbase in Staveley were doing 15% off this week. Most popular bikes in the Cube range are on up to a month delivery, best check with dealers.

Many bikes in a price range are very similar. If you compare the Kalkhoff and Cube range you will find that the bikes in a similar price range tend to have the same forks, gear sets, brakes etc.

Ref the Kalkhoff motors, all the ones I looked at had the Bosch motor which is the same as the Cube.

Thanks - I will check that. 15% off £2k is worth having.

I have test ridden four ebikes in 24 hours. Giant Quick E-1+ was good but for me the pick of the bunch was the Cube Reaction hybrid 500. I think that may well be my final choice

That looks like a good choice but I was looking at the link and noticed it doesnt come with pedals, why wouldnt they supply pedals, that doesnt really make any sense.

none will come with peddles or at best the cheapest rubbish they can stick on them.

 

its the same with hi end mtbs tbh.