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Motor resistance?

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Set to level 1, put in bottom gear, lift the wheel off the ground, use the throttle or turn the pedals to see how fast it spins to. Do the same on level 2. It might be good to put the brake on lightly to deal with any over-run. Make sure you give it a chance to settle down into the steady state.
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Set to level 1, put in bottom gear, lift the wheel off the ground, use the throttle or turn the pedals to see how fast it spins to. Do the same on level 2. It might be good to put the brake on lightly to deal with any over-run. Make sure you give it a chance to settle down into the steady state.

 

It does indeed assist up to 16mph in any setting and 21mph with restriction removed to it is indeed working as it should.

 

So it is all down to my perception as suspected and the terrain I ride which will be different to everyone else etc.

 

I have some hybrid tyres arriving today to replace the full knobbly ones so rolling resistance should be much better.

 

Thanks for everyone's replies.

It does indeed assist up to 16mph in any setting and 21mph with restriction removed to it is indeed working as it should.

 

So it is all down to my perception as suspected and the terrain I ride which will be different to everyone else etc.

 

I have some hybrid tyres arriving today to replace the full knobbly ones so rolling resistance should be much better.

 

Thanks for everyone's replies.

That's interesting. It means your controller uses current control instead of speed control. That's what I prefer. Is it a Woosh kit?

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That's interesting. It means your controller uses current control instead of speed control. That's what I prefer. Is it a Woosh kit?

 

Yeah its a woosh kit.

 

Fit some 26x1.95 hybrid tyres today and it rolls so much smoother so should feel better next ride. May have to corner a bit slower on the loose stuff though. The front tyre took some getting the inner tube in as its a narrow rim and the 26x2.3 over sized knobbly tyre has plenty of room for it. The new tyre took some seating in the rim near the valve so it did not give a bobbing effect.

 

Finished bike - https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipO8nQpXYMs5RkDNDJLxHaKmzXfAEGyYIIlzFhJX1Ceq5HJrw6EGX1--NK8H1OvoRw/photo/AF1QipNMQ_B0IVJy5CWQhgBGYbC18XDkyRtUvPXgWPaU?key=ZWQ3cTZ3MnF2Z1A0eDNja3hHWmhyOG5PU0tsTlNR

 

Wish I could hide the tie wraps but don't think its too untidy really. Had to use riv nuts on top crossbar to fit the bottle cage so at least I got some more use out of the riv nut tool lol.

 

It takes some getting wheel back on after removal due to having to spread the frame. May have to get some reverse clamps to somehow make it easier. Will have to fix puncture with wheel on if I get one while riding.

 

EDIT - I said it assists up to 16mph in any setting but that was using the throttle so not sure what it will go up to with peddle assist only.

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Yes, tyres make a big difference. I bought a used MTB and went out for a ride with a friend. I noticed that I was pedalling hard while he was free-wheeling, so I stopped to test that the wheels span freely, which they did, so I carried on confused.

 

A few days later, I decided to change the tyres, but I couldn't get them off. Finally after a lot of heave-ho, the first came over the rim and I could see the problem: There were two tyres on each wheel. There was a smaller knobbly tyre inside each of the bigger ones plus the tube. I chucked everything, and when I put the new tyres on, the bike was completely transformed.

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Yes, tyres make a big difference. I bought a used MTB and went out for a ride with a friend. I noticed that I was pedalling hard while he was free-wheeling, so I stopped to test that the wheels span freely, which they did, so I carried on confused.

 

A few days later, I decided to change the tyres, but I couldn't get them off. Finally after a lot of heave-ho, the first came over the rim and I could see the problem: There were two tyres on each wheel. There was a smaller knobbly tyre inside each of the bigger ones plus the tube. I chucked everything, and when I put the new tyres on, the bike was completely transformed.

 

Two tyres lol. I just want a Zero FXS ZF6.5 now to compliment my bike lol

Yeah its a woosh kit.

 

Fit some 26x1.95 hybrid tyres today and it rolls so much smoother so should feel better next ride. May have to corner a bit slower on the loose stuff though. The front tyre took some getting the inner tube in as its a narrow rim and the 26x2.3 over sized knobbly tyre has plenty of room for it. The new tyre took some seating in the rim near the valve so it did not give a bobbing effect.

 

Finished bike - https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipO8nQpXYMs5RkDNDJLxHaKmzXfAEGyYIIlzFhJX1Ceq5HJrw6EGX1--NK8H1OvoRw/photo/AF1QipNMQ_B0IVJy5CWQhgBGYbC18XDkyRtUvPXgWPaU?key=ZWQ3cTZ3MnF2Z1A0eDNja3hHWmhyOG5PU0tsTlNR

 

Wish I could hide the tie wraps but don't think its too untidy really. Had to use riv nuts on top crossbar to fit the bottle cage so at least I got some more use out of the riv nut tool lol.

 

It takes some getting wheel back on after removal due to having to spread the frame. May have to get some reverse clamps to somehow make it easier. Will have to fix puncture with wheel on if I get one while riding.

 

EDIT - I said it assists up to 16mph in any setting but that was using the throttle so not sure what it will go up to with peddle assist only.

It will be the same. 16mph with pedal assist only.

I have hidden my surplus wiring under a small front top tube pannier which is handy for tools and spare inner tube etc.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00K1912OS/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1

cable ties never look that great but you've done a pretty neat job with them and they don't look too tight.

They can break wiring if over tightened.

I use velcro straps, more gentle on the wires but they don't look any neater than yours.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/5X-Tie-Down-Strap-for-11-1-3S-2200-LiPo-Battery-AKKU-TREX-450-RC-Helicopter-New-/191786613397?hash=item2ca75f7a95

Glad it's coming right for you.:)

Dave.

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There is not really enough excess wiring to need a bag to be honest, just a small loop of them bottom of battery and a loop of em in front of handlebars tied to the brake wires.

 

I like the idea of a few velcro straps though. I thought about drilling holes and feeding in the frame but it would weaken the frame so would not do that.

Pics of mine so you can see yours looks pretty good.

I have fitted a 180 rear disc so the frame doesn't need to stretch as much.

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Looks good. It is a shame I could not stretch the frame permanently without doing damage to it. Would be good if it could just fall straight in as it's hard to get it in to be honest without levering it in which is scratching the dropouts etc.

 

I noticed today that my disc bolts were all loose so I either did not tighten them (sure I did) or it needs locking compound on them.

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Also how do you have the display etc on the front of the stem like that? Makes more room on bars.
Two tyres lol. I just want a Zero FXS ZF6.5 now to compliment my bike lol

Excellent choice except the 6.5 bit, get the full sized one and ask for a sticker.

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Excellent choice except the 6.5 bit, get the full sized one and ask for a sticker.

 

? I thought the 6.5 is the bigger double battery model so a longer range?

Absolutely right, my mistake, sorry. I got muddled with the power reduced 11kW models of the DS.

 

Get a test ride if you haven't, great fun. The FXS wasn't about when I had mine so had to 'settle' for the DS and FX. The FX was like a hot knife through butter with regard to traffic. Just need very secure parking, easy and reliable charging and sound activated by proximity sensors for those that don't look before pretty much anything.

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When I can afford one it will be just a toy that would never see rain. Charging would probably be at home only more than likely. Agree you would need a good lock and something to lock it to as no doubt it would be desirable. though you have to bolt down just about everything these days anyhow.

 

The fxs 6.5 is around £8500 with government grant. Expensive but low costs after purchase. I do like the idea of one.

The real nickable value is in the batteries. You can take them out but then that leaves a very pinchable / vandelisable frame and bits. The bar holding the batteries has a lock but if you just want the batteries ....

 

I deduced the battery cost to be about 3500 euros from the DS options page in case you were wondering.

The real nickable value is in the batteries. You can take them out but then that leaves a very pinchable / vandelisable frame and bits. The bar holding the batteries has a lock but if you just want the batteries ....

 

I deduced the battery cost to be about 3500 euros from the DS options page in case you were wondering.

 

Sorry for the tread drift by the way, you bought it up ;)

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I would just have to ride for pleasure and not leave it anywhere lol. I can pay kids to go in shops for me ha ha. Once home it would have to be anchored to concrete garage floor.

 

Can't have anything without some scum wanting to take it, shame really. I will probably be too old to use it by time I can afford one anyhow!

I would just have to ride for pleasure and not leave it anywhere lol. I can pay kids to go in shops for me ha ha. Once home it would have to be anchored to concrete garage floor.

 

Can't have anything without some scum wanting to take it, shame really. I will probably be too old to use it by time I can afford one anyhow!

I'll leave this here, just in case

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/2017/september/zero-motorcycles-summer-offer/

Something doesn't sound right. You mentioned additional,weight of 12kg. Normally, it would be about 6kg.

 

You can see immediately whether you have any motor resistance, by lifting the wheel off the ground and spinning it. You can normally feel where any resistance is coming from. In most cases, it's the brake. Sometimes it's the cassette or freewheel rubbing on the frame, and sometimes it's washers rubbing on the cassete or freewheel.

 

It's very rare for anything to be wrong with the kit and you should be able to pedal without power similar to how it was before except your acceleration would be about 5% less and you'd have to pedal 5% harder on any upward incline.

Both the bikes I converted ended up 10kg heavier. The battery was around 4.2kg, the motor about 4.4 and the controller, wiring, throttle etc bought it up to 10kg. I ain't using your super dupa Aldi water bottle conversion though!!

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Both the bikes I converted ended up 10kg heavier. The battery was around 4.2kg, the motor about 4.4 and the controller, wiring, throttle etc bought it up to 10kg. I ain't using your super dupa Aldi water bottle conversion though!!

 

Selling it now anyhow as can't get on with how an electric bike feels. Got bike for sale locally and kit for sale here. Which ever sells first etc.

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