https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/cars/1650042/driving-law-changes-20mph-speed-limit-roads-scrapped-wales-oxford-exclusive

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2023/02/26/cars-should-limited-20mph-avoid-e-scooter-ban/

Of course not, because she would not be pushing the cyclist into the road.

 

Therefore the public should not be commenting until the procedures have been exhausted.

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Says the poster with the most to say about it.

And BTW, the police have never mentioned pushing. They said "gesturing aggressively".

As yet I have seen no evidence to suggest she pushed anything.

 

All reports of her crime have been along these lines.

The only place I have seen pushing mentioned was on here.

And, I have not made light of anything.

I, ve said all along all are victims in this tragic case,as "Independent" and many others seem to think.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/auriol-grey-jailed-shouted-cyclist-pavement-b2292880.html

 

But one thing you are correct about Flecc is we shouldn't be commenting. My last on it until appeal over.

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Says the poster with the most to say about it.

And BTW, the police have never mentioned pushing. They said "gesturing aggressively".

As yet I have seen no evidence to suggest she pushed anything.

 

 

The full CCTV footage has not been released. There is other footage seen by the judge & jury that evidently was far more incriminating than that which we have seen.

 

Det Sgt Dollard, who interviewed Grey, told BBC Radio Cambridgeshire: "I'll always remember the morning after it occurred obtaining the CCTV and watching it in its entirety.

"In all honesty it's horrific and not appropriate for wider release to the public, but, if it were, then I think a lot of the arguments in relation to appropriate responses would be null and void."

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-64835197

And BTW, the police have never mentioned pushing. They said "gesturing aggressively".

As yet I have seen no evidence to suggest she pushed anything.

 

"She said she "may have unintentionally put" out her hand to protect herself. Ms Grey believed she had made light contact with Mrs Ward. "

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-64747184

Says the poster with the most to say about it.

 

No I haven't had the most to say about it. I've had the most to say about those commenting and criticising the sentence.

 

I don't care if the offender only ends up serving three weeks, her punishment is nothing to do with me. It's the original sentencing strong message I'm defending. For three decades we've been getting it wrong with drivers and pedestrians abusing and endangering cyclists and some cyclists abusing everyone else.

 

In 2020 government started to do something about it with the Home Office concession on pavement use. Then over a year ago came the 29th January changes to the Highway Code, sending another strong message about consideration for vulnerable road users.

 

Among those were the prison sentences repeating those strong messages, those I mentioned of the cyclist jailed for killing a pedestrian and the driver jailed for killing a cyclist. This latest sentence of a pedestrian jailed for causing a cyclists death completes the message to all the road users involved.

 

To reach the desirable civilised state of roads usage in places like the Netherlands, Scandinavia and Japan and some others means getting tough, since all the gentle persuasion we've been trying has clearly failed.

 

I support that getting tough which is why I started this thread.

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No I haven't had the most to say about it. I've had the most to say about those commenting and criticising the sentence.

 

I don't care if the offender only ends up serving three weeks, her punishment is nothing to do with me. It's the original sentencing strong message I'm defending. For three decades we've been getting it wrong with drivers and pedestrians abusing and endangering cyclists and some cyclists abusing everyone else.

 

In 2020 government started to do something about it with the Home Office concession on pavement use. Then over a year ago came the 29th January changes to the Highway Code, sending another strong message about consideration for vulnerable road users.

 

Among those were the prison sentences repeating those strong messages, those I mentioned of the cyclist jailed for killing a pedestrian and the driver jailed for killing a cyclist. This latest sentence of a pedestrian jailed for causing a cyclists death completes the message to all the road users involved.

 

To reach the desirable civilised state of roads usage in places like the Netherlands, Scandinavia and Japan and some others means getting tough, since all the gentle persuasion we've been trying has clearly failed.

 

I support that getting tough which is why I started this thread.

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Oh, that clarifies it now Flecc. If we agree with your view it's OK to comment, but otherwise we shouldn't.

As many have said, this is a particularly tragic case for all involved. Personally, I don't believe a custodial sentence is either necessary or helpful but I can also sympathise with the family and understand why they might see it required.

To be honest, I, m just glad it's not my job to decide where the blame lies or the sentence required if it's with Auriol Grey.

Seems to me our society always needs to blame an individual and very often the system is at fault. Mixing bicycles with 20 ton trucks is doomed, as is mixing pedestrians with cycles, especially when neither are willing to follow the most basic of rules, show common decency between one and other or have a base line minimum ability. All facets involved in this case.

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Oh, that clarifies it now Flecc. If we agree with your view it's OK to comment, but otherwise we shouldn't.

 

Correction. If you agree with the view the law took, not my view which just happens to coincide.

 

Mixing bicycles with 20 ton trucks is doomed,

 

Certainly inadvisable without complex precautions.

 

as is mixing pedestrians with cycles.

 

I disagree. Firstly since it is proven to work extremely well in many other countries, most notably in Japan where cyclists often have to use the pavements by law in congested areas like cities.

 

Secondly because in using the legs, cycling is only assisted walking, just as pedelecing is still just assisted cycling.

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Seems to me our society always needs to blame an individual and very often the system is at fault.

 

It's Thatcher's fault: Care in the community doesn't work.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-68975335

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-68975335

It used to be that your peers decided if you're guilty or not. The jury voted "guilty" on the basis of the evidence put to them. Since then, there has been no new evidence. If I had been a jury member, I would have voted guilty. It looks to me that she did a bit more than gesticulating to cause the bike to deviate like that and fall into the road.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-68975335

Disabled,a recluse, was jailed and served some time, which gives one group of critics some satisfaction, and due to be released, which keeps the other group happy.

Disabled,a recluse, was jailed and served some time, which gives one group of critics some satisfaction, and due to be released, which keeps the other group happy.

What about the woman, who had her life stolen from her? How much is that worth?

What about the woman, who had her life stolen from her? How much is that worth?

What about the woman, who had her life stolen from her? How much is that worth?

 

Knowing what the person who was killed would have thought about the disabled woman,could go a very long way to answering your question. Though the chances are you won't like the answer.

 

The victim might be the forgiving type, or have a strong degree of empathy, and possibly wouldn't want the convicted woman to be seriously punished, if at all.

Knowing what the person who was killed would have thought about the disabled woman,could go a very long way to answering your question. Though the chances are you won't like the answer.

 

The victim might be the forgiving type, or have a strong degree of empathy, and possibly wouldn't want the convicted woman to be seriously punished, if at all.

Yeah, what would you rather do die or run the chance of offending someone, who's swearing at you and acting agressively? I guess you'd choose death then.

who's swearing at you and acting agressively?

 

Which have been shown to be the result of severe mental health issues.

 

Put away your pitchfork and burning torch, let the authorities deal with it.

Which have been shown to be the result of severe mental health issues.

 

Put away your pitchfork and burning torch, let the authorities deal with it.

Everybody has mental issues. of some sort. The terrorists, who go on stabbing sprees, now are all said to have mental issues. If anybody goes around causing the death of other people by their behaviour, that is a de facto mental issue, so we need to be protected from them.

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Everybody has mental issues. of some sort. The terrorists, who go on stabbing sprees, now are all said to have mental issues. If anybody goes around causing the death of other people by their behaviour, that is a de facto mental issue, so we need to be protected from them.

stabbing attack mental issues - Search

 

 

Can you sing this with me ?

Can you sing this with me ?

I'm red blooded. I swing straight! You can swing whatever way you want, but please don't ask me to join in. I'd sooner ride a crank-drive bike than do that.