I have just bought a smartmotion e-urban that is 7 years old.

 

Lovely bike, but it has a small fault.

 

When the brakes are plugged into the controller the motor starts running. It only stops when the brakes are pressed.

 

The throttle is also not working, which I don't mind, but maybe this is what is causing it?

 

All works as normal if throttle and brakes unplugged. When i plug in brakes but leave the throttle unplugged the fault occurs, and it also occurs when all three are plugged in.

 

Perhaps a new throttle will help? It seems the controller thinks the brakes are the throttle?

 

I've attached the spec for the bike in case that helps

e-urban bike.pdf

Maybe someone has been messing around with the wiring and connected the throttle connector to the brakes and brakes connector to the throttle.

Maybe someone has been messing around with the wiring and connected the throttle connector to the brakes and brakes connector to the throttle.

 

Good thinking, but I have looked, and the throttle is a yellow connector and is in the right place.

 

So that maybe rules out the throttle as an issue. Also with the throttle unplugged the brakes still act like throttles - weird

Some controllers have the facility for brakes high or brakes low to operate.

 

As an example, brakes high need 5v to the input to cut the motor and brakes low need 0v to the input to cut the motor.

 

So that’s another thing to check if you have a multimeter.

 

Are you able to post a photo of the controller and wiring, specifically the throttle and brake connectors?

yellow is the throttle wiring, red are the brake wires.

The controller is obviously degraded, but seems to work fine.

 

All seem to be original, so I don't think faults in voltage would be an issue... or at least I'd hope not.

 

Also it's inetersting that both brakes make the bike do the same thing. Perhaps the controller itself is at fault? I di knew the model I would replace it

Crikey, that’s had a hard life. It looks like the cover for the rear brake switch is missing, does the switch operate properly?

Ah, that's just a sticker or something that has faded, the cover is intact and the switch operates properly.

 

I am leaning towards it being the controller, because it's both brakes doing the same thing. And the issue occurs whether or not the throttle is plugged in or not.

 

So it's something weird about the brakes. And it happens whichever brake is plugged in, or whether both are plugged in.

As soon as either one is plugged in, the motor kicks in, and only stops when the brake is pressed

 

problem is - I imagine these controllers are specific and hard to get hold of?

 

Hard life yes! but I got the whole bike for £80 ! and the battery seems good, and the motor works well. It just needs new chain cassette and pads

And this problem fixing

Ok, it must be controller - I just test rode it without brakes or throttle plugged in, and at one point it randomly didnt turn the motor off... so i had to stop and turn whole thing off and on again

 

I maybe need a new controller? Can I use an aftermarket one?

First of all try to identify what motor and what controller you already have. Again photographs posted on here help.

I’m guessing a bit here, but that looks like a Dashi display which is compatible with a Luishi controller. The controller may be integrated into the battery holder. If it is then the good news is all of this stuff is cheap to replace.

Thanks AGS - I have located control box, and here are all the photos of what i found

 

I know the motor is 300w, or so says the PDF> But it just has the companies branding on it.

The battery is 36v 15.6ah

Oh, and the top button on the display which on long hold turns the unit off and on. When pressed short press it turns lights off and on

And finally, if this isn't too much info, when the throttle isn't plugged in I get error 34 which says faulty throttle (makes sense if it isn't plugged in)

But when brakes and throttle plugged in, i get error 34 only whn I press the brakes to cut the motor

 

https://pedegogo.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/article_attachments/360003271833/Dapu___Ananda_Error_Code_Troubleshooting_Chart.pdf

 

Error codes read from this

 

Not sure - maybe better to replace everything unless it's just likely to get a faulty cable somewhere?

[ATTACH type=full" alt="50561]50561[/ATTACH]

these all come out of the controller

It doesn’t look like it has been hacked about and Ananda is proper motor/controller manufacturer. Even Smartmotion are still in business.

 

It’s not possible to diagnose what’s going on without a multimeter to check voltages across pins and continuity of the cables. And it’s even harder when you are trying to do it with waterproof connectors without proper test equipment.

 

So you will probably end up having to replace stuff. I guess now you know why you picked it up for £90.

It doesn’t look like it has been hacked about and Ananda is proper motor/controller manufacturer. Even Smartmotion are still in business.

 

It’s not possible to diagnose what’s going on without a multimeter to check voltages across pins and continuity of the cables. And it’s even harder when you are trying to do it with waterproof connectors without proper test equipment.

 

So you will probably end up having to replace stuff. I guess now you know why you picked it up for £90.

 

I have a multimeter. But am not sure how to check things and where to look.

 

If I was to replace the controller, do you know which one will be a direct replacement? I cannot find a Luishi that has the same connections

the other option is just to ride without brake cut off...

It’s not a Lishui, it’s an Ananda. I thought it was Lishui at first because of the display. It’s not easy to test with waterproof connectors. You really have to do it with the controller opened up so you can prod on the right pins. Although if you start prodding on the wrong pins with the wrong multimeter settings it all starts going pear shaped and puffs of smoke start emitting all over the place.

 

You can ride without brake sensors, but just make sure you stop peddling and keep off the throttle when you are braking.

 

I don’t have brake sensors on my Greaser and that was a factory built bike. They have started fitting them on new models now but integrated brake sensors for hydraulic brakes weren’t available when mine was built. And I guess they didn’t want to send out a factory built bike with magnets glued to the brake levers. They would have had a nightmare with warranty claims every time the magnets fell off.

Edited March 6, 20233 yr by AGS

It’s not a Lishui, it’s an Ananda. I thought it was Lishui at first because of the display. It’s not easy to test with waterproof connectors. You really have to do it with the controller opened up so you can prod on the right pins. Although if you start prodding on the wrong pins with the wrong multimeter settings it all starts going pear shaped and puffs of smoke start emitting all over the place.

 

You can ride without brake sensors, but just make sure you stop peddling and keep off the throttle when you are braking.

 

I don’t have brake sensors on my Greaser and that was a factory built bike. They have started fitting them on new models now but integrated brake sensors for hydraulic brakes weren’t available when mine was built. And I guess they didn’t want to send out a factory built bike with magnets glued to the brake levers. They would have had a nightmare with warranty claims every time the magnets fell off.

 

I think this is a good idea, to ride and be careful. It's an £80 quid bike. It goes well, and it's for short trips. So for now, I'll trundle on as is and see how it goes.

Thanks for the help!

What I do like about your bike is it was built by a reputable company that is still in business manufacturing your model today. Rather than a fly by night company hoping to make a quick buck by buying a load of second rate bikes and selling them on.

It seems like a solid bike indeed, and rides well. Considering how much use it looks to have had, it's held up well.

I'll get a chain and cassette on order!

It probably deserves it after 4000 miles. Check to see if it is a freewheel or cassette before ordering. I have a feeling it is a freewheel, which are most common on older small hub motors, because they are much cheaper to manufacture. Their website is confusing. The spec sheet says it has a shimano 8 speed cassette and further down it says the motor has a freewheel.

 

Cassettes slide on and are held in place by a locking ring. Freewheels screw on and they need different tools to remove.

Edited March 6, 20233 yr by AGS