What if one was in the process of taking the wise move of installing 6000LM of flashing headlights to stop cars jumping blindly out in front of one's bike at intersections, and one simply wanted to switch the battery on to test them, or to do any of the large variety of tests for other ebike parts which are suggested on this forum... would a hard sharp physical shock be required every time? Is there a filter pass through for jolts of a diagnostic nature? Will thick silicone gel filled gloves be provided for diagnostic thumping, to prevent damage to the case? If it didn't switch on with a hard knock, I expect various dudes would chime in with helpful suggestions like "Bang it!!!", "Bash out FIRE in Morse!", "Throw it down stairs!", "Needs a blunt object, headbutt worked for me"" etc. Highly inconvenient, not to mention unnecessarily noisy not having a simple on/off switch, and for me an innovation too far. I do hope they will offer a cheaper, less exhausting conventionally switched option.

 

I'm wondering how often users will screw up by putting the cells in the wrong way. Diodes?

Edited October 8, 20241 yr by guerney

My scam radar went off as soon as they offered me the opportunity to pay $1.. the age old 'rope em in' trick to ensure your mark has an interest in getting conned.. ..

 

But the crowd funding ad is up.. and just more Q's

 

is it just a case? cells are listed under addons where i was expecting to find details and cost of the 'Battery Mixer' I would need with a controller embedded within my current battery mount ??

 

an optimistic buyer may think they are offering to replace cells indefinitely??

 

It is just a case, mount and 'smart' bms that will arrive isnt it?

 

Took me a couple of scan throughs to be sure.. its a case and bms etc only, HA!

 

ambiguity isnt a good sign imho.

 

Anyone already paid and expecting more than the case etc will be disappointed.. im sure they will catch a few..

its a case and bms etc only, HA!

 

There are few buying options. Case only as you said, case and loose cells for self assembly and battery assembled and tested.

There are few buying options. Case only as you said, case and loose cells for self assembly and battery assembled and tested.

Ah-- I see once you select a 'perk'.. so circa 400 euro inc pnp for the full package. (my use would require a 'battery mixer')

still a little unnecessarily ambiguous on the way there. and could still mislead the impatient buyer.

Certainly a well timed product that could have potential if it lives up to its claims but not worth the buy in for me atm without a current need for a further battery. Shame they chose particular marketing strategies that are commonly found in scams. could even be counterproductive. though im probably not representative..

without a current need for a further battery.

 

Well... I humbly disagree. As an Esteemed Pedelecer you deserve something better than Yose kit for beginners.

 

...but what do I know...

I'm wondering how often users will screw up by putting the cells in the wrong way. Diodes?

A pair of templates expose either all the + slots... There's probably a tactful admonishment on the reverse

'Battery Mixer' I would need with a controller embedded within my current battery mount ??

Yeah they could be clearer. Is the Yose's range worth the cost of a mixer? You wouldn't need the mixer if you take the pins out of the Yose sled or rehouse the controller in a 'ABS project box'.

Yeah they could be clearer. Is the Yose's range worth the cost of a mixer? You wouldn't need the mixer if you take the pins out of the Yose sled or rehouse the controller in a 'ABS project box'.

Cheers, a few issues tho 1) i like the 'hidden controller' form factor.. ok 1 issue..

Well... I humbly disagree. As an Esteemed Pedelecer you deserve something better than Yose kit for beginners.

 

...but what do I know...

Go Team Yose!! - while not a performance ebike at all my ol ploddrer has benefited greatly from the conversion, no longer is it "Oh Damn/Shit/Bollx, i had better get the bike out then" as it was pre-conversion, but more "Oh, i had better get the bike out" now whenever i need/want to pop off somewhere local. The weather can still elicit a more colourful reaction however.

Go Team Yose!! - while not a performance ebike at all.

 

Yes. Team Yose can count on highly ranked participation award in every race

 

I still have Yose bike somewhere in my shed, but thanks to TSDZ8 I have achieved pedelec nirvana

It doesn't look like a scam to me. Just one of many startups out there.

 

For me lack of on/off switch is a deal braker, but for sure battery as a whole is an interesting concept. I will consider it when I will need a new battery. I hope they will make some improvements by that time.

 

Well I do hope you are right. Still I just couldn't pull the trigger on a 200 euro case with bms and charger (no cells)

 

For me the whole thing didn't pass the sniff test in the end. Happy to wait and see, if it all works out and , crucially, it does play nicely with bosch systems I'll pay the extra full price

Well I do hope you are right. Still I just couldn't pull the trigger on a 200 euro case with bms and charger (no cells)

 

For me the whole thing didn't pass the sniff test in the end. Happy to wait and see, if it all works out and , crucially, it does play nicely with bosch systems I'll pay the extra full price

The fact that it's so expensive implies to me that it's not a scam. My only uneasy feeling comes from whether it'll work with the latest CAN systems.

The fact that it's so expensive implies to me that it's not a scam. My only uneasy feeling comes from whether it'll work with the latest CAN systems.

An 'open' coms module is an exciting prospect, not only to enable the use of future defined codes for systems but if it also exposes other coms features of the h/w such as ble, then [mention=35887]Az.[/mention]'s physical on/off switch could involve a $5 ble button and a few minutes configuration..

The fact that it's so expensive implies to me that it's not a scam. My only uneasy feeling comes from whether it'll work with the latest CAN systems.

I totally agree, slightly flippant post on my behalf. I've a welder , can and have sourced cellss, hl cases and just built my own. The value for me is not in the weldless solution nor the fire resistance. Its all about the claim to have reverse engineered bosch so t plays nicely. It's that bit, which I think is same for you, that I'm just not sure about. Especially given the email I posted. Which I suspect was an unguarded moment as I've seen nothing like that publicly

Edited October 9, 20241 yr by spanos

Thanks so much to this community for the continued support you've been showing us! Much appreciated!

 

We're finally launching on IndieGogo and there's a 25% OFF offer for the early birds!

 

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/infinite-the-repairable-universal-ebike-battery/x/8167177#/

 

[mention=43764]Oulipo[/mention] - There's this thread about the Infinite Battery already. How did you decide on product pricing? What factors defined the upper and lower limits of the pricing "Goldilocks Zone"? Too expensive for me, and there is no manual on/off switch. Also, being able to find a replacement cell or cells to match the characteristics of the used ones remaining in the pack, seems a difficult task - can you provide any tips, and how safe would the resulting battery pack be?

 

Do delivery charges appear after the page where card details are requested? Where are these kits being sent from? How much do you charge for delivery to the UK? What additional charges are there? VAT, customs etc.

Edited October 9, 20241 yr by guerney

Any news from early birds?

Any news from early birds?

The worms are in premium condition at the moment because they're putting on weight from all the autumn leaves they're eating. Naturally, you have to go out early to get them before they're all gone.

I backed this product and have received it. I must say it is very well made. I have been in discussions with the creators right from the start and I have just confirmed with them that I will be stocking these once they are available to people beyond the original crowd funded batch.

 

If you are interested in getting hold of the battery then please go to the link below and add your email for a no-obligation notification when stock is due.

 

Rebellion Bike - Gouach Infinite Battery

 

Cheers, Tom

I backed this product and have received it. I must say it is very well made. I have been in discussions with the creators right from the start and I have just confirmed with them that I will be stocking these once they are available to people beyond the original crowd funded batch.

 

If you are interested in getting hold of the battery then please go to the link below and add your email for a no-obligation notification when stock is due.

 

Rebellion Bike - Gouach Infinite Battery

 

Cheers, Tom

I think there must be something I'm missing. It's £390 for a 48v battery without any cells in it. Is that right? A set of 13S3P cells (Sanyo 18650GA) is around £108. The total cost of a 48v 10 Ah battery would be around £500 without shipping costs, which works out at about £1 per wh without shipping costs.

 

A 48v 20Ah Greenlance or Yose battery can be had for about £300 inc shipping, which works out at about £0.32 per wh for comparison.

 

I'd be surprised if anybody is interested in 10Ah 48v batteries. 3S is too small for the currents people want. I hope they're working on 13S6P cases, but they're going to be massive by comparison because of all the other stuff in the case. I wish you every success. Maybe something will change that makes it more viable. If I got something wrong please let us know.

I think there must be something I'm missing. It's £390 for a 48v battery without any cells in it. Is that right? A set of 13S3P cells (Sanyo 18650GA) is around £108. The total cost of a 48v 10 Ah battery would be around £500 without shipping costs, which works out at about £1 per wh without shipping costs.

 

A 48v 20Ah Greenlance or Yose battery can be had for about £300 inc shipping, which works out at about £0.32 per wh for comparison.

 

I'd be surprised if anybody is interested in 10Ah 48v batteries. 3S is too small for the currents people want. I hope they're working on 13S6P cases, but they're going to be massive by comparison because of all the other stuff in the case. I wish you every success. Maybe something will change that makes it more viable. If I got something wrong please let us know.

 

Hi. The prices are current placeholders, guesstimates based on the cost values I have been supplied so far. Hopefully the price will be lowered once further costs to me are calculated and understood.

 

The £390 cost estimate that is stated is for the complete battery, built and ready to use, so including cells. The point in the product is not to be the cheapest on the market per wh. If you are after that, then don't choose this product as it is not competitive on that variable alone.

 

Of course, this is the first version of the product, I am sure as time goes by there will be further versions ,making improvements on it.

 

I am impressed by the design and very happy to see a company putting the right to repair at the very top of their agenda.

 

Thanks.

Hi. The prices are current placeholders, guesstimates based on the cost values I have been supplied so far. Hopefully the price will be lowered once further costs to me are calculated and understood.

 

The £390 cost estimate that is stated is for the complete battery, built and ready to use, so including cells. The point in the product is not to be the cheapest on the market per wh. If you are after that, then don't choose this product as it is not competitive on that variable alone.

 

Of course, this is the first version of the product, I am sure as time goes by there will be further versions ,making improvements on it.

 

I am impressed by the design and very happy to see a company putting the right to repair at the very top of their agenda.

 

Thanks.

OK, thanks for that. I think £390 including cells is reasonable considering some of the features you get.

The Goache idea has always appealed to me - especially the ability to swap out bad cells. It is a great idea.

 

Also useful is the app which shows you at a glance what the individual cell group voltages are. And the recommendation from Battery Doctor inspires confidence. If he says they are good, I expect they are.

 

Expensive for that case, BMS, and internal structure, but in the long run, being able to replace defective cells might make it cost effective.

 

On the other hand replacing old half done cells with brand new ones can lead to balance issues. How to manage that? Cheap battery testing boards measuring capacity could maybe help you marry old cells with new lower capacity ones, and since the format is 10s 4p, the new cell would be paralleled up with three others so if it had more capacity than its new pals, the surplus would bleed into the three old cells and lessen the tendency towards imbalance. You are not likely to be replacing a whole parallel group.

 

I would be tempted to go this way if I needed a new battery.

 

 

Sad to say they don't seem to have cells available at the time of posting (29 Dec 25). the ready built option is not available, only the case:

 

https://infinite-battery.com/

Edited December 29, 2025Dec 29 by Tony1951

Unfortunately cells are more finnicky than capacitors. They need to be closely matched in a P-group and far from a new cell shoring up the old ones it could age them faster.

 

AIUI the intention is that, whether they're all worn out or just some are defective, you'd change all the cells for a matched set, at low cost if they're recycled. Even with new branded cells the cost would be a lot less than for a comparable complete battery, so the upfront cost makes sense for high mileage users.

I struggle to see any real benefit over a properly designed, built and looked after welded cell type battery.

 

The friction/pressure contacts are likely to have far higher variability in resistance from new, getting worse with age, so causing the defects that lead to cell failure.

 

The tight tolerances of production line cells and cell pack assembly mean that properly used, batteries will rarely go wrong. Faults come from poor weather proofing, inadequate BMS, falling in a canal and other careless use.

 

Also ties the owner to a specific cell size. Imagine buying a 18650 version a while ago.