Can it out pace an ICE agent with a flat battery? cant see many getting parked up outside tesco tho..

Illegal.

I'm feeling optimistic about it, but it depends on the price. I'd be interested at anything below £15. I'd like to have seen a closed loop in the frame somewhere so that you can lock it to a lamppost or whatever. The electronic lock makes the bike useless to steal, but the scrotes won't know that. They'll just lift the back and wheel it away.

 

On the bad side, bikes like this will wipe out all the independent ebike dealers apart from those doing ebikes for sport.

I'm feeling optimistic about it, but it depends on the price. I'd be interested at anything below £15. I'd like to have seen a closed loop in the frame somewhere so that you can lock it to a lamppost or whatever. The electronic lock makes the bike useless to steal, but the scrotes won't know that. They'll just lift the back and wheel it away.

 

On the bad side, bikes like this will wipe out all the independent ebike dealers apart from those doing ebikes for sport.

 

I can't stand up the power loss figures the presenter gave, but a generator system like that is for sure way less efficient than a chain driven pedal system which I think puts about 95% of rider effort onto the road if well lubed, and adjusted. This system would seem to have a significant loss compared to that, maybe 60% or in that ballpark.

 

On the other hand, many folk riding e-bikes are pretty much ghost pedalling most of the time anyway, so while the battery is charged, those people would likely not notice the difference, except perhaps a little in range.... But the bike shown has a big battery so it might really work out quite well

 

How well would depend on how well the bike is made, whether the systems are reliable, and whether the company will stand behind the bikes as they age supplying spares and possibly service centres.

 

If this last issue isn't sorted, the bike would be worthless in about four years, in which case it had better be very cheap - which it won't be.

 

EDIT:

 

I just found out that the launch edition of the bike is selling for $4,500........

 

No thanks. I got THIS for that sort of money.....

 

https://www.pedelecs.co.uk/forum/threads/e-bike-journeys-and-pictures-around-the-south-tyne-valley.47309/post-754285

Edited November 1, 2025Nov 1 by Tony1951

More detailed information and pictures on the Rivian.

 

https://velo.outsideonline.com/ebike/ebike-gear/first-impressions-also-hm-b-rivian/

I can't stand up the power loss figures the presenter gave, but a generator system like that is for sure way less efficient than a chain driven pedal system which I think puts about 95% of rider effort onto the road if well lubed, and adjusted. This system would seem to have a significant loss compared to that, maybe 60% or in that ballpark.

 

On the other hand, many folk riding e-bikes are pretty much ghost pedalling most of the time anyway, so while the battery is charged, those people would likely not notice the difference, except perhaps a little in range.... But the bike shown has a big battery so it might really work out quite well

 

How well would depend on how well the bike is made, whether the systems are reliable, and whether the company will stand behind the bikes as they age supplying spares and possibly service centres.

 

If this last issue isn't sorted, the bike would be worthless in about four years, in which case it had better be very cheap - which it won't be.

 

EDIT:

 

I just found out that the launch edition of the bike is selling for $4,500........

 

No thanks. I got THIS for that sort of money.....

 

https://www.pedelecs.co.uk/forum/threads/e-bike-journeys-and-pictures-around-the-south-tyne-valley.47309/post-754285

Human power losses don't really count because you can turn up the power from the battery. That only affects the range, which for most riders is not a problem as it has quite a large battery.

 

I think the weight is going to be a bigger issue than that. 38.6kg means an 80kg rider would need approx 20% more power to get up any incline.

Edited November 2, 2025Nov 2 by saneagle

More detailed information and pictures on the Rivian.

 

https://velo.outsideonline.com/ebike/ebike-gear/first-impressions-also-hm-b-rivian/

$4500! By the time everything has been added to put it in our shops, it'll be £5,000. That's much too much. Hardly anybody will buy it except for the few that spend £6,000 on a Riese and Muller, then sell it at less than half price a couple of years later after doing a total of 200 miles. For a lot less money, you can buy a 125cc Honda Supercub and tax and insurance that will give you a lifetime of service and have lower running costs.

$4500! By the time everything has been added to put it in our shops, it'll be £5,000. That's much too much. Hardly anybody will buy it except for the few that spend £6,000 on a Riese and Muller, then sell it at less than half price a couple of years later after doing a total of 200 miles. For a lot less money, you can buy a 125cc Honda Supercub and tax and insurance that will give you a lifetime of service and have lower running costs.

 

All absolutely true and sensible. This is why I posted a link above about my £3600 three month old Royal Enfield 350 single.

 

To be honest - while the Hondas that you recommend are really excellent quality, and I've had a few small Hondas, and they were totally reliable, the cheap and cheerful Chinese motor bikes are a MASSIVE bargain. You can buy a new 125 with a warranty for about £2000 or £2500.

 

https://www.lexmoto.com/range/motorcycles/125

 

I can never get why all the people who are desperate to ride e-bikes at moped speeds and faster, don't just get a much better value petrol moped or motorbike.

 

I'd go for a 125 any day over a moped, but that's just a personal view. A 125 can be ridden at normal traffic speed on an A road and a moped can't unless you want to build up tailbacks of angry car drivers.

 

The value for money is very different by comparison to fast, illegal electric bikes and they have easy licensing and moderate priced insurance and negligible road tax. Last time I taxed my old 125 it cost £19 - that was maybe five years ago. It is in the back of the garage now and owes me nothing.

 

I taxed and insured my RE 350 a week or two back for £118 insurance and I think about £57 road tax. Second hand motorbikes can be had at laughable prices if you wait and choose carefully.

 

Here are some of mine, bought between 2018 and 2023:

 

 

Below - Honda CB250 - bought at 23 years old with no MOT and 11500 miles on the clock for £650! This has to be the best bargain. The guy even delivered it in his van because it had no mot.

I prepped it for the test in about five or ten minutes. Fixed a sticky brake light switch, pumped up the tyres and adjusted the chain. This bike has passed every time since.

 

Edited November 3, 2025Nov 3 by Tony1951

All absolutely true and sensible. This is why I posted a link above about my £3600 three month old Royal Enfield 350 single.

 

To be honest - while the Hondas that you recommend are really excellent quality, and I've had a few small Hondas, and they were totally reliable, the cheap and cheerful Chinese motor bikes are a MASSIVE bargain. You can buy a new 125 with a warranty for about £2000 or £2500.

 

https://www.lexmoto.com/range/motorcycles/125

 

I can never get why all the people who are desperate to ride e-bikes at moped speeds and faster, don't just get a much better value petrol moped or motorbike.

 

I'd go for a 125 any day over a moped, but that's just a personal view. A 125 can be ridden at normal traffic speed on an A road and a moped can't unless you want to build up tailbacks of angry car drivers.

 

The value for money is very different by comparison to fast, illegal electric bikes and they have easy licensing and moderate priced insurance and negligible road tax. Last time I taxed my old 125 it cost £19 - that was maybe five years ago. It is in the back of the garage now and owes me nothing.

 

I taxed and insured my RE 350 a week or two back for £118 insurance and I think about £57 road tax. Second hand motorbikes can be had at laughable prices if you wait and choose carefully.

 

Here are some of mine, bought between 2018 and 2023:

 

 

Below - Honda CB250 - bought at 23 years old with no MOT and 11500 miles on the clock for £650! This has to be the best bargain. The guy even delivered it in his van because it had no mot.

I prepped it for the test in about five or ten minutes. Fixed a sticky brake light switch, pumped up the tyres and adjusted the chain. This bike has passed every time since.

 

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Apples and Oranges spring to mind!

Apples and Oranges spring to mind!

I'm not sure what you're saying, but they're both fruit, they perform the same function (nourishment),they're both tasty, they're both round, they cost about the same, they both go mouldy if you keep them too long, so basically the same. Is that it?