August 25, 201114 yr The Bofeilli unit did make a lot of sense but unfortunately it needs more R & D, Bofeilli is typical of a number of the smaller chinese companies who see the possibilities, just don't have the money to properly develop it - we put a unit in a Kudos prototype and my supplier would not offer any warranty-that was 6 months ago maybe they have improved. Dave KudosCycles Edited August 25, 201114 yr by Kudoscycles
August 25, 201114 yr Mmm.....curiouser and curiouser! I just hope it's good quality and doesn't carry a ridiculously high price tag. Indalo Just a quality price tag!
August 25, 201114 yr Kalkhoff Center-drive well if you cant beat them (Bosch) copy them! cant be this one surely Tony, or else why all the cloak and dagger you tease! lol
August 25, 201114 yr Hi Is anybody handy with a saw and a welder look at the following links Central Motor KU63 250W 6Mosfets High Speed Controller - BMSBATTERY 36V 10Ah Lithium Ion Electric Bicycle Battery Pack - BMSBATTERY total price delivered £275 Just need a bike Frank
August 25, 201114 yr Could the cat be out of the bag? The new Kalkasonic drive system. I just hope the Wisper Crank drive never comes to fruition.
August 25, 201114 yr Could the cat be out of the bag? The new Kalkasonic drive system. I just hope the Wisper Crank drive never comes to fruition. Well I feel pretty confident that if wisper did enter the crank drive market, it would be better then the old fashioned clunker you ride...
August 25, 201114 yr well if you cant beat them (Bosch) copy them! cant be this one surely Tony, or else why all the cloak and dagger you tease! lol The cloak and dagger isn't about the Kalhoff motor, but while on the subject, Kalkhoff don't copy, they innovate and lead the market. First with the new Panasonic unit with a high power mode, first with all it's power increases, first with alternative very high capacity batteries, first with the new Panasonic front motor which is to be an electronic full power brake. And I know of a situation where the Bosch is to be dropped in favour of something better, so nothing like the Panasonic's market staying power.
August 25, 201114 yr better then the old fashioned clunker you ride... How dare you speak of my wife in this way. I demand that you withdraw the remark.
August 25, 201114 yr That sounds like an advertisement Tony! Well it looks very similar to the Bosch unit to me, and high power battery getting mixed reviews. (I am happy with the 8Ah battery on my bike) So lets wait and see how innovative new system really is, if they improve on bosch it should really be something At least there is a chance with Kalkhoff, of bikes being available here...but unlikely in 2012 would you think? as they have clearly adopted Bosch into their high power range. That the standard Bosch drive stands beside their S class bikes should surely tell you something. But I am begining to wonder about this as pics on site clearly have a number plate bracket on bike so maybe they are 350 watt after all this is odd though as no chatter re this on german forum..... That will be some bike!
August 25, 201114 yr How dare you speak of my wife in this way. I demand that you withdraw the remark. I am soooooo sorry Tillson.....I now fully understand why you asked me to take her out for a long hard ride:o
August 25, 201114 yr That sounds like an advertisement Tony! Well it looks very similar to the Bosch unit to me, and high power battery getting mixed reviews. (I am happy with the 8Ah battery on my bike) So lets wait and see how innovative new system really is, if they improve on bosch it should really be something At least there is a chance with Kalkhoff, of bikes being available here...but unlikely in 2012 would you think? as they have clearly adopted Bosch into their high power range. That the standard Bosch drive stands beside their S class bikes should surely tell you something. But I am begining to wonder about this as pics on site clearly have a number plate bracket on bike so maybe they are 350 watt after all this is odd though as no chatter re this on german forum..... That will be some bike! Let's just say that there are surprises on the way. As for 2012, those who are usually first don't normally make anyone wait!
August 25, 201114 yr that is as well and good but how long will I have to wait for a step through bike for the wife? I am looking for a condenser boiler for new house and guess what, Bosch way out ahead in reviews! (and not on German forum either) You were certainly right, world domination seems to be the game...... it seems I was wrong! (I know... I know.... hard to believe.....) there is a 45 kph high speed 350 watt Bosch model being unveiled at German show this week. Battery stays the same 8Ah model (probably because it is so good) these are some of the bikes that Kalkhoff have introduced. http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=de&tl=en&twu=1&u=http://www.urbanbiking.de/news/e-bikes-und-pedelecs/riese-und-mueller-2012-bosch-antrieb-fuer-modelle-culture-homage-und-delite-auch-s-pedelecs.567348.410636.htm&usg=ALkJrhg9Ca7PDr3faeLBesRp68ABdFBZUQ more on Bob "Blew it" info http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=de&tl=en&twu=1&u=http://www.urbanbiking.de/news/e-bikes-und-pedelecs/kalkhoff-und-raleigh-bringen-weltweit-ersten-pedelec-mittelmotor-mit-ruecktritt-infos-und-bilder-zum-kalkhoff-raleigh-impulse-8-c-und-impulse-8c-hs.524315.410636.htm%3Fodckampagne%3Dub_42_kalkhoff&usg=ALkJrhglnRTLdthbcRuqh8frghRjCUriaQ Edited August 25, 201114 yr by eddieo
August 25, 201114 yr Author Let's just say that there are surprises on the way. As for 2012, those who are usually first don't normally make anyone wait! I'm not asking what, just, When will these surprises be shared with us mere mortals? 'Soon' is a relative term, so please use numbers :-)
August 25, 201114 yr I'm not asking what, just, When will these surprises be shared with us mere mortals? 'Soon' is a relative term, so please use numbers :-) 42. Say no more.
August 25, 201114 yr I feel that I must congratulate flecc for turning this post around from a playground brawl back to a discussion of the future of pedelecs. I have gained a lot of knowledge from this forum over the past few months and as a result have purchased a kalkhoff pro connect disc 18a/h and a kudos sport. Both bikes have their advantages (the smooth power delivery and build quality of the kalkhoff and the kudos which has excellent range for its 9a/h battery - even in our terrain, and remarkable torque for a hub motor which makes hill climbs a doddle) I joined this forum initially for the friendly and informative posts between members and hate to see it descend to this level. With the combined knowledge of its members I'm sure it will continue to inspire others to make informed decisions on the choice of pedelec to suit their needs. I'm sorry that this my first post has been contradictory.
August 26, 201114 yr Sooooooo is that week 42 in 2011 or 2012:confused: Well, I did say that those who are usually first don't make you wait, so you choose which.
August 26, 201114 yr Well, I did say that those who are usually first don't make you wait, so you choose which. well if you end up keeping her waiting, the wife is a fearsome creature and we are moving to Shirley next month! Edited August 26, 201114 yr by eddieo
August 26, 201114 yr well if you end up keeping her waiting, the wife is a fesrsome creature and we are moving to Shirly next month! Oh "Shirly" not Ed? I'm guessing here but I suspect you mean that place in Derbyshire called "Shirley." You'll be fairly handy if a Juicybike takes your fancy! Indalo
August 28, 201114 yr In my uninformed and humble opinion, I would be completely shocked if the Wisper philosophy didn't change in the near future. David, post your thoughts? Hi Graeme, I have been off the forum for a few weeks due to pressure of work, I have not read the whole of this thread so please excuse me if I have missed the point! We are currently working in our 2013 bikes and they certainly will not feature crank drive motors! Instead we are concentrating on reducing weight, increasing range, and bettering quality of ride whilst reducing the electric bike's impact on the environment. To this end we are currently working with Oxis Energy on Li-S batteries and Moeller Motors/Dapu on a very light weight but powerful motor weighing in at just over 1kg. Moeller have managed to reduce ion loss which has been one of the biggest problems in making very small but powerful motors the and we now have an early prototype which is working extremely well. Oxis/Wisper will be announcing our collaboration next week at Eurobike in Germany on the new Lithium Sulphur battery and the forthcoming Wisper Oxis bike which we are working to launch at the Geneva Motor Show in March 2013. Lithium Sulphur batteries will be available for our existing bikes next year, we will start testing the 36V 32A model in Q4 2011 and hope to have 48V 32A installed in our current battery box by next summer. However as performance AND weight reduction are our our goals for The Wisper Oxis, we are designing the bike to have a range of 100 to 125km or so which will allow us to reduce the battery volume by about at least 50% and hopefully 65%. I will keep the forum up to date on progress but it all looks very exciting. All the best David
August 28, 201114 yr Author Thanks for all the very interesting info David. It just goes to show you that the expression of wild uniformed opinions can draw out some very interesting news. ...Still shocked though...
August 28, 201114 yr well if you end up keeping her waiting, the wife is a fearsome creature and we are moving to Shirley next month! Well, I hope Shirley makes you welcome, she works on checkout at the local Co-op.
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