Bafang Max Drive
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The Riese and Muller Charger Rohloff has sliding drop outs and enough clearance on the mudguard to enable them to be used.
It also has an all but enclosed chain, so I doubt it would ever need adjustment anyway.
The frame has a raised chain stay, so in theory a belt could be fitted without modification.
Looks like a proper job to me.
Yep RobF it looks like R&M have upped there game, by adding Sliding Drop-Out's.
It has been a while since I last looked at there website, and back then the only model with a Rohloff was the "Delite" which did on the old model use a Rohloff mech hanger Chain Tensioner, but even that model now seems to have been updated with some kind of Chain Tentioner at the motor end.
Like you say, it is a proper job, although it has taken them some time to get there.
Also good to see that R&M have added a few more models using the Nuvinci 360 IGH.
Like I have said before, derailleur gears on an ebike just look silly, so last century meets this century it's almost beyond believe in this modern age.
Of course as we know, derailleur transmission is cheap as chips, compared to a decent IGH, not to mention that derailleur transmissions provide plenty of work for bicycle repair shops!
So far for me the R&M Charger with Rohloff is the best ebike that I have ever seen, thus far.
Although like the Delite, the Charger is at the thick end of £5000 which is just daft money to pay for a Rohloff equipped ebike.
I recon a Bafang Max Drive with Rohloff and specific frame, should be able to hit the market at half the price of the R&M offerings.
It has been a while since I last looked at there website, and back then the only model with a Rohloff was the "Delite" which did on the old model use a Rohloff mech hanger Chain Tensioner, but even that model now seems to have been updated with some kind of Chain Tentioner at the motor end.
Like you say, it is a proper job, although it has taken them some time to get there.
Also good to see that R&M have added a few more models using the Nuvinci 360 IGH.
Like I have said before, derailleur gears on an ebike just look silly, so last century meets this century it's almost beyond believe in this modern age.
Of course as we know, derailleur transmission is cheap as chips, compared to a decent IGH, not to mention that derailleur transmissions provide plenty of work for bicycle repair shops!
So far for me the R&M Charger with Rohloff is the best ebike that I have ever seen, thus far.
Although like the Delite, the Charger is at the thick end of £5000 which is just daft money to pay for a Rohloff equipped ebike.
I recon a Bafang Max Drive with Rohloff and specific frame, should be able to hit the market at half the price of the R&M offerings.
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Hi Andy,
From £4,499.00, over £5,000 for the 1000Wh version.
RM make no apologies for the price of these amazing, seriously high end bikes. In Holland and Germany they are massively popular, to the point R&M struggle to keep up with demand. They expect to sell nearly 20,000 units in the 2017 season.
We've only sold a few hundered in the U.K. so far but everyone that has invested in a R&M loves their bike. We have only ever had three small issues on RM bikes all of which were sorted immediately.
R&M are a little different to other ebikes, each bike is individually made to order and takes from three to five weeks from order to delivery. They have up to five frame sizes and so many options that making them individually is the only way they can run their business. The R&M web site has a bike builder to enable customers to specify exactly the bike they require. Even if you don't buy the bike, it's great fun building the ultimate dream machine! At the end of the bike building process a customer will be given a unique 6 digit code. If they ever want to order the bike they simply quote the code and it will take the R&M engineers straight to the correct specs.
R&M don't make all out mountain bikes, they specialise in long distance trekking, trail riding and urban comfort.
If anyone wants the ultimate in build and design quality a Riese & Muller is a great place to start the search!
https://www.r-m.de/en-gb/e-bike/charger-gx/
All the best, David
From £4,499.00, over £5,000 for the 1000Wh version.
RM make no apologies for the price of these amazing, seriously high end bikes. In Holland and Germany they are massively popular, to the point R&M struggle to keep up with demand. They expect to sell nearly 20,000 units in the 2017 season.
We've only sold a few hundered in the U.K. so far but everyone that has invested in a R&M loves their bike. We have only ever had three small issues on RM bikes all of which were sorted immediately.
R&M are a little different to other ebikes, each bike is individually made to order and takes from three to five weeks from order to delivery. They have up to five frame sizes and so many options that making them individually is the only way they can run their business. The R&M web site has a bike builder to enable customers to specify exactly the bike they require. Even if you don't buy the bike, it's great fun building the ultimate dream machine! At the end of the bike building process a customer will be given a unique 6 digit code. If they ever want to order the bike they simply quote the code and it will take the R&M engineers straight to the correct specs.
R&M don't make all out mountain bikes, they specialise in long distance trekking, trail riding and urban comfort.
If anyone wants the ultimate in build and design quality a Riese & Muller is a great place to start the search!
https://www.r-m.de/en-gb/e-bike/charger-gx/
All the best, David
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I do like that raised chain stay design on the R&M charger, very clever that bit of design.
R&M have taken the design of the ebike to the next level, and I commend them for the extensive use of the Rohloff and Nuvinci 360.
But when you look at the composite main parts, battery, motor, IGH and frame, you are probably looking at a well under £2000 build cost, for R&M so that leaves a nice margin to be shared out between Manufacturer, Distributor and Retailer, about £1000 each in my estimation.
Nice work if you can get it, and as already stated, they have no problem in selling these £5000+ Bikes, and good luck to them.
My Son (31) is a bike tech, and it is not unusual to see a £6000 road bike go out the door at the shop he works at.
He just bought a Haibike downhill machine (none ebike), brand new, £2000 list price, and they did it to him at Trade price for £500, and it's not the kind of shop that sells to staff at a loss, although the staff are only allowed one Trade price purchase in any given year.
Oh yes and they put it on the "Bike to Work Scheme" for him.
So you can guess we're I will be going for my Bafang Max Drive bike, if his shop ever gets them in, and don't worry the seed has already been planted on that count.
R&M have taken the design of the ebike to the next level, and I commend them for the extensive use of the Rohloff and Nuvinci 360.
But when you look at the composite main parts, battery, motor, IGH and frame, you are probably looking at a well under £2000 build cost, for R&M so that leaves a nice margin to be shared out between Manufacturer, Distributor and Retailer, about £1000 each in my estimation.
Nice work if you can get it, and as already stated, they have no problem in selling these £5000+ Bikes, and good luck to them.
My Son (31) is a bike tech, and it is not unusual to see a £6000 road bike go out the door at the shop he works at.
He just bought a Haibike downhill machine (none ebike), brand new, £2000 list price, and they did it to him at Trade price for £500, and it's not the kind of shop that sells to staff at a loss, although the staff are only allowed one Trade price purchase in any given year.
Oh yes and they put it on the "Bike to Work Scheme" for him.
So you can guess we're I will be going for my Bafang Max Drive bike, if his shop ever gets them in, and don't worry the seed has already been planted on that count.
I'm still waiting for you to make me an offer on a Charger Rohloff I can't refuse...
That's about right with the lion share going to the retailer, but consider they have staff, premises etc. etc. to pay for so customers have somewhere to see and try the bikes and take them back for servicing etc. No one is getting rich selling electric bikes. And of course the Inland Revenue make more than anyone!
I think your son has done extremely well. £500.00 is well under cost for practically any electric bicycle. They must think very highly of him.
All the best,
David
No David, Sons Haibike was peddle power only, although he sent me an image of a KTM full sus with Bosch CX motor that he has just built up for a customer, around £3k's worth I think he said.
David from AMPS was on the case swiftly as usual.
All I wish to say at this stage is the matter is progressing, and fair play to David for being attentive to a prospective customer.
Yep I notice that R&M do HS 45kph version of the Charger with the Nuvinci 360, not sure if they do that model with a Rohloff though.
The U.K. Really needs to get it's act together and come up with a specific classification for "S" Pedelecs instead of labelling them as Mopeds etc.
The U.K. Really needs to get it's act together and come up with a specific classification for "S" Pedelecs instead of labelling them as Mopeds etc.
I completely agree, once we can legally ride the HS pedelecs in the UK without the rigmarole of registering as a moped, the market will boom.
Here is the HS version of the Rohloff...
https://www.r-m.de/en-gb/e-bike/charger-gx/charger-gx-rohloff-hs/#17Z10_04020622
All the best, David
Here is the HS version of the Rohloff...
https://www.r-m.de/en-gb/e-bike/charger-gx/charger-gx-rohloff-hs/#17Z10_04020622
All the best, David
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I completely disagree. S-pedelecs has no place in leisure cycling, thus should not be allowed to mix with normal leisure cycling flow. They need to be registered and insured beside compulsory helmet wearing.
You are missing the point. I don't think HS pedelecs should be treated in the same manner as standard pedelecs, insurance registration and helmet wearing should be mandatory and they should not be allowed on cycle paths.
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that I totally agree with, but you wrote in post #33, without the rigmarole of registering as a moped,
without registration, it'll quickly become free for all.
Slightly off topic, I've gone round in circles in terms of trying to ascertain best fit for my purpose and conflicting messages from bike dealers outside of this forum.
Although there are plenty of suppliers that will quite happily sell you a 500,750 or 1k bike I think its foolhardy to step outside of the legal 250w constraints for public road use.
The battle between 250w BBS01 vs a 250w BPM general consensus seems the BPM on the front wheel and battery on the pannier is the most powerful 250w legal option available in the uk, particularly for flattish terain.
The BB weighs in at 26KG but a stripped down trek, cannondale, etc can get weight down a few KG, which I hope will offset against my 18st frame
Somebody correct me if I am wrong
Although there are plenty of suppliers that will quite happily sell you a 500,750 or 1k bike I think its foolhardy to step outside of the legal 250w constraints for public road use.
The battle between 250w BBS01 vs a 250w BPM general consensus seems the BPM on the front wheel and battery on the pannier is the most powerful 250w legal option available in the uk, particularly for flattish terain.
The BB weighs in at 26KG but a stripped down trek, cannondale, etc can get weight down a few KG, which I hope will offset against my 18st frame
Somebody correct me if I am wrong
Have you tried to register a HS as a moped yet? It is a long drawn out process and you have to install a full size number plate on the back of the bike.
I believe we should adopt the Dutch or even the German approach to these superb machines. Give them a separate class that clearly identifies them and issue a smaller plate, registration should be very straight forward. Until we do, they will continue to be sold and used illegally in cycle lanes, unlicensed and uninsured.
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