Just why should NI have different benefits to the rest of the UK?
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Brexit, for once some facts.
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This rather encapsulates why we are where we are today with this ridiculous 'Brexit' nonsense:
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NI has a devolved government and special relationship with the ROI.
Think of why Gibraltar, Isle of Man, the Channel Islands, the Falklands the dependencies etc due to their geographical locations, they have different arrangements with their neighbours.
This 'fella' had more insight than most a long time ago and his words remain true today:
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I think most people by now are aware that the Chequers showdown meeting did nothing to alleviate fears over 'Brexit'.
Kindly, someone thought to produce a short visual explanation of the outcome:
Let's all just hope this clairvoyant isn't any more successful than the soothsayers of old:
Tom
Kindly, someone thought to produce a short visual explanation of the outcome:
Let's all just hope this clairvoyant isn't any more successful than the soothsayers of old:
Tom
But those examples are not the UK. NI is part of the UK and Scotland and Wales also have devolved governments (which are active unlike Stormont).
there is already a hard border between the UK and the EU27, except in NI.
If you want to remove a hard border between NI and the ROI, you have to move it out to the Irish Sea. It's just common sense.
I think there should be a vote in NI with regard to which brexit they want.
Common nonsense. Why should we in mainland find ourselves with a hard border between us and NI?
What if NI say they want no brexit?
Here's just one example of why we will fail economically after Brexit:
In Britain large scale retailers have been continuously failing over recent years and this trend accelerating. Attempts by them to expand into other countries have also been failing, even giant Tesco pulling out of the USA where they've failed to thrive.
Meanwhile Sweden's IKEA has been an ever growing success. The Group owns 262 stores in 24 countries: Australia, Austria, Belgium, Canada, China, Czech republic, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Hungary, Italy, Japan, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Russia, Slovakia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, United Kingdom and the USA.
And Germany's supermarkets are now taking our own supermarkets' business within Britain and the USA's Walmart owns ASDA.
Napoleon called us a nation of shopkeepers, but it seems we can't even be that any more.
It's just an echo of the recent past when we lost all our manufacturing industries before joining the EU, something none of the other EU 27 did so comprehensively. Indeed, many expanded them at our cost.
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In Britain large scale retailers have been continuously failing over recent years and this trend accelerating. Attempts by them to expand into other countries have also been failing, even giant Tesco pulling out of the USA where they've failed to thrive.
Meanwhile Sweden's IKEA has been an ever growing success. The Group owns 262 stores in 24 countries: Australia, Austria, Belgium, Canada, China, Czech republic, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Hungary, Italy, Japan, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Russia, Slovakia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, United Kingdom and the USA.
And Germany's supermarkets are now taking our own supermarkets' business within Britain and the USA's Walmart owns ASDA.
Napoleon called us a nation of shopkeepers, but it seems we can't even be that any more.
It's just an echo of the recent past when we lost all our manufacturing industries before joining the EU, something none of the other EU 27 did so comprehensively. Indeed, many expanded them at our cost.
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I though they had already indicated exactly that in some kind of poll or other in 2016?
Tom......with apologies to 'flecc' who beat me to the punch!
a hard border for goods applies when you fly between Southend to St Peter, Jersey, half an hour away.
You have to declare goods exceeding certain value, something like £100?
Jersey is outside the EU.
if it's a vote in Stormont, then Westminster will decide.
If it's a referendum, then it's advisory.
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I know but I assumed that the suggestion was for another vote. Don't think a rerun would change the result.
Just how could a Westminster government headed towards brexit endorse and act on a remain majority in NI?
Quite simply these failures have to be laid at the feet of the managerial and financial class, since foreign management , finance and planning manage to extract good productivity from British workers.
That is what will Doom brexit.
Incompetence, and no amount of optimism is going to change that.
I am accused of having little faith, this isn't true, I have every faith in brexit being a complete disaster, for the reasons I have given.
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Westminster 'owns' Stormont, so the UK government will have to negotiate amendments to the GFA to reflect future trading relationship with the EU.
The absolute proof of this is in our overseas failures, such as Tesco's in the USA and now China, both places where retail is thriving for many other foreign businesses.
Clearly those cannot be blamed on British staff low productivity or ineptitude, it can only be the management to blame for their policies and/or direction.
Yet it is they who we have to lead us to post-Brexit success around the world. What a prospect.
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Distance means nothing (Miquelon and St Pierre). But, as you say, the CI are outside the EU and, as I said, outside the UK. With NI we would be erecting a NEW border within the UK.
.. Not big into economic forecasting, but the prediction seems plausible. Now if the UK has agreed and accepted and voted to take a 4% cut in living conditions, well and good.. they are a free and soverign entity., But to effectively impose the same on us, their neighbour, who never had an option to vote for or against it is arrogance. So you will understand that we are peeved.