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[Dai Gleddau]

Still researching which ebike to get....
I'm looking for an ebike of shortish overall length (about 175cm max), so with front-wheel removed, it will fit in the car. For lots of reasons, I don't want to have to use a bike-rack.
Roughest riding I do is forest trails (not serious mountain biking). I think 26" wheels is about the smallest I'd tolerate.
So far, most bikes I've looked at are a touch too long.
And of course, I don't want to spend too much!
Any ideas appreciated (except for "get a bigger car!")?

 

[Az.]

I have super mini and was transporting two bikes with front wheels removed. I prefer rack though. Weight might be bigger problem than size.

 

[Dai Gleddau]

I have super mini and was transporting two bikes with front wheels removed. I prefer rack though. Weight might be bigger problem than size.

Yes weight could be an issue. I currently manage to get our old all-steel MTBs (18kg) in and out of the car OK and I'm hoping that with battery removed an ebike shouldn't be too much heavier. But most ebikes I've looked at seem to be longer wheelbase and wouldn't fit. I might have to just get a rack though rather than compromise on the bike.
If I had shorter legs I could move the driver's seat forward and fit a bigger bike.

 

[Az.]

Bike will be 2-5kg heavier. Pain in lower back to put it in and to take it out, but it can be done.

 

[Az.]

But most ebikes I've looked at seem to be longer wheelbase and wouldn't fit.

Are you looking at ready made bikes or want to convert your Apollo?

 

[Dai Gleddau]

Yes... but I haven't discounted doing a conversion.
Any advice on kit suppliers for reliable parts and good after-sales support?

 

[Az.]

Yes... but I haven't discounted doing a conversion.

OK... when I said your bike will be 5kg heavier I meant your Apollo after conversion.

Any advice on kit suppliers for reliable parts and good after-sales support?

Woosh

 

[Dai Gleddau]

Many thanks Az. .... will have a look at Woosh

 

[Dai Gleddau]

OK... when I said your bike will be 5kg heavier I meant your Apollo after conversion.



Woosh

... and if I did a conversion I'll finally retire the Apollo and get a suitable donor-bike!

 

[Az.]

... and if I did a conversion I'll finally retire the Apollo and get a suitable donor-bike!

Great.







...I will tell you a secret: As forum member you are entitled to get TSDZ8 motor at discounted price. It is theoretically a great motor:

Woosh starts shipping Tongsheng TSDZ8 with 250W label

It's a bit of a beast, but a good looking one, complete with throttle and a 250W Tongsheng label to comply with EPAC regulations. You can leave the throttle kit in the box, your installation will be of course neater. Gone is the anti-torque hanger on the TSDZ2B. Powerwise, it is basically...

www.pedelecs.co.uk

I just got mine delivered few minutes ago.

 

[lenny]

Isao’s Larkin Cycles 24″ Mini Velo Touring MTB – john watson

We had quite the coverage of mini velos last year, beginning with this dude's personal bike. Isao's Falconer was one of my personal favorites to hit these pages in 2019 because it really embodied the notion of deep custom and something we don't address a whole lot here on the Radavist; this idea...

theradavist.com

 

[lenny]

Any advice on kit suppliers for reliable parts and good after-sales support?

Let Me Google That

For all those people that find it more convenient to bother you with their question than to google it for themselves.

letmegooglethat.com

 

[lenny]

I suggest the EcoRider City Cruiser It's got a shorter overall length, around 170cm, so it should fit in your car, and It's got 26" wheels too, which should handle those forest trails just fine. The best part, It's budget-friendly.

 

[Dai Gleddau]

I suggest the EcoRider City Cruiser It's got a shorter overall length, around 170cm, so it should fit in your car, and It's got 26" wheels too, which should handle those forest trails just fine. The best part, It's budget-friendly.

Sounds promising... do you have a link?
When I Google "EcoRider City Cruiser" I just get quad-bikes and scooters.
Thanks!

 

[Az.]

Sounds promising... do you have a link?

I couldn't find it either, but while looking for it I found this:

EcoRider E8 Segway Police Scooter for Patrol

EcoRider E8 Segway Police Scooter for Patrol

www.ecoriderscooter.com

I think I want it.

 

[Dai Gleddau]

OK folks, thanks very much for all the tips and advice. Here's what I'm thinking of doing...
Get a new lightweight alloy-framed 26" MTB-style of reasonable quality:
e.g. Claud Butler Edge HT (14kg)
Electrify with a Woosh conversion kit: front wheel drive, 20AH downtube battery.
So, with front-wheel and battery removed, weight for manhandling in and out of car is minimised.
And that size battery should give me as much range as I'll ever want.
Pros & cons with FWD, but for my intended usage (country-lanes & forest-trails), I'm thinking it will be OK.
And the installation should be simple.

What do you reckon?

 

[RollingChunder]

20AH downtube battery.

Assuming this is a 48V kit, I doubt you'd need such a large capacity battery. How far do you intend to go on one charge and will you put work into the pedals or not?

 

[Dai Gleddau]

Assuming this is a 48V kit, I doubt you'd need such a large capacity battery. How far do you intend to go on one charge and will you put work into the pedals or not?

36V kit (so 720WH battery). Will not be using it for commuting but for days out leisure cycling around the hilly lanes and forest tracks of Wales. Agree, battery is probably more than I'll ever need but my thought is that's better than worrying about running out of juice?

 

[RollingChunder]

better than worrying about running out of juice?

Yes you are right it is good to go for more capacity than you'll need mainly as this extends the battery's life as it stays in the 100-50% range all the time. If you don't mind spending the extra than it's no problem getting the bigger battery, slightly more weight but not noticeable. But I think a 13-17ah battery will give no discernible difference to you and will be a big cost saving.

If on the rare occasion you want to do a massive 50 mile tour, it will still be possible you just have to turn down the assist! Basically, it's more sensible to determine your average watt hour usage in one outing and oversizing that, rather than your maximum possible journey ever and oversizing still because soon as you start putting work in the pedals the range goes off the charts.

So, with front-wheel and battery removed

On this note, a front wheel hub motor is harder to remove than a quick release mtb front wheel. I don't know if you need a torque arm for 250w on the front but if you do it will become a hassle taking on and off. Simple with tools of course!

 

[Dai Gleddau]

Thanks... I was assuming that to remove the front wheel I'll just need to release the V-brakes, and then undo the nuts on the axle (I'm used to doing this with my old MTB today) and then just disconnect the cable to the motor. But I'll have a good look at the fitting instructions to see if I've missed anything.

I'll also have a think about battery size.

 

[Az.]

Conversion? Great. Best way to get good value for money e-bike.

Front wheel conversion on MTB? Please don't. Trust me, I have one. Rear hub or best mid drive. Rear hub should be enough for your needs, but your appetite will grow. Do it once, do it right.