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It might not look the sleekest, but from a practicality, simplicity, ease of maintenance and customer service / long life I would go for https://wooshbikes.co.uk/?camino 540Wh or 612Wh battery options

The motor assist stops at 25km/h, just the wheel is accelerating massively with no load so will reach a ridiculous top speed. The motor isn't driving the wheel at that speed, the gearing is 44t/11t

I don't think this will ever work, even if the motor stops at exactly 15 mph, an unloaded wheel will be massively accelerating when it gets to 15 mph and the motor cuts out and end up hitting a ridiculous top speed. I tried this with a TSDZ8 , set to 25 km/h max assist speed and the max speed...

I thought very few off the shelf bikes nowadays had brake sensors E.g https://www.pedelecs.co.uk/forum/threads/cadence-sensor-continuing-to-power.44527/post-667886

They are also quite useful changing down gears when you come to a junction , where you want to pedal to change gears but don't want the motor to kick in

Just saying "BBC government propaganda" to anything that uses experts to fact check all the nonsense published on social media isn't an argument

The only thing close was https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9961869/Keir-Starmer-says-12-year-old-son-vaccine.html 'If the advice is for that age children to have it, we would follow that advice.' Seems entirely uncontroversial to me

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m00291y1

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0h24kbq

ok - after much googling I have ordered a pair of these for £26 + £5 vat (flat mounted - these are the more expensive model !) https://vi.aliexpress.com/item/1005005922079012.html?

Enjoying riding it unpowered at the minute, find the drop handlebar (with palms facing inward) position really comfortable, much to my surprise. Did my "test route" and I am a lot faster than unpowered folding bike (but not as fast as my folding bike with assist )

Ok, so ended up buying this Boardman Adv 8.6 gravel bike off Facebook for £250, think it was a "Lockdown buy" that hasn't been used. I will ride it unpowered for now and possibly get some cable to hydraulic brakes, TRP HY / RD or Juin Tech F1 s look popular. Maybe do a lightish...

I noticed similar behavior on the TSDZ8 that I restricted to 25 km/h. If the wheel is not loaded, then I suspect the wheel is still accelerating when the motor cuts out and reaches a speed much higher than 25 km/h but I still think the motor cuts out at 25 km/h

Thanks both, I'm pretty sure the rear brake mount is flat on this model But not sure about the fork. Will post some pics if I get the bike (it is tempting, but I have to complete the Boarman Hybrid conversion for my friend's wife first ! ) Was thinking of the TRP HY/RD brakes

Do I need to worry about flat mount / post mount (I think that Boardman is flat mount)

I have a notion to convert a second hand drop handlebar racing bike or gravel bike. I might use that Arrow cycles again to build the wheel and get the rear hub motor from topbikekit. I was looking and wanted one with aluminium frame , normal bottom bracket, 135mm rear dropouts with qr rear...

Yes, on the video, I think it mentioned it needed a separate speed sensor

was that with KT controller ? did you experiment with all the motor settings ? eg P1 , P2 number of pulses per revolution, number of magnets ?

http://bikecalculator.com/index.html Yes - tyres and riding position seem to make a huge difference - especially at higher speeds

OMG - that's impressive - although I think you could do a much simpler build by just ripping out all the internal Mahle stuff (battery and controller) and fit a downtube Hailong 36V battery with internal KT controller and connect that up to the X35 rear hub motor