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But now all the links including HelenJ's original are shown as 404, not available. Try Helen's foot of the list link on this list. As I've posted , it's only the law that counts, not casual legally unbacked statements. And I repeat from my previous post: The new MSVA test to allow throttles...

This thread is for all manufactured pedelecs sold after 1st January 2016 which have had no legal permission for throttles, and amateur builds such as those using motor kits. They can now be MSVA tested for a certificate of compliance with a new 250 LPM low powered moped class of pedelecs but...

OK , I've got something definitive now. The new MSVA test to allow throttles on pedelecs has a section specifically for amateur builds, kit bikes etc. Clearly they wouldn't have written that in if they could already have throttles without an MSVA certification. As I've posted, they can't...

Which one, there's been a few. Can you quote what was said in the one you mean so I can perhaps trace it in my numerous files? I'm going by what the law actually says, which of course is all that matters in a court. The DfT has made statements it hasn't subsequently backed up, particularly on...

Not so, the law for USE of all pedelecs is quite clear, don't mix use up with construction rules. Here's the relevant extract: The bike must also be type approved if either: it does not meet the EAPC rules it can be propelled without pedalling (a ‘twist and go’ EAPC) That's all cases for...

You can use throttle on that pre January 2016 pedelec Jim, it has grandfather rights from the old UK 1983 EAPC law. No if bureacracy free. To have a throttle it must be successfully taken through MSVA at an approved test centre. That may need some changes to the bike which we don't know...

The law now will be the post EU law, due to the Great Repeal Bill. The new UK 250 LPM provision for pedelecs to have throttles is the realisation of a 2015 DfT intention which the EU didn't agree to. The DfT has achieved it by a distortion of the law, referring to having to have type...

That hasn't always been the case. From January 1st 2016, new pedelecs could not have a throttle fitted and that is still the case for bureacracy free machines, which are and probably will remain the great majority. The new 2019 UK only 250 LPM exemption allows a throttle if the bike is...

They've long had this view but it won't get anywhere. The EU is determined to keep pedelecs as bicycles by them only having power assist with pedalling. It's an entirely logical policy since bicycles are only propelled by pedalling. .

The European order only applies to the L1e-A two wheelers, not our pedelecs which must not have throttles in the EU's domain. It's important not to get this mixed up with the new UK only MSVA provision for throttles on our pedelecs. .

Yes for all L1e-A electric bicycles. In the mainland UK only there's now also a new 250 LPM class of pedelecs. These are our present legal pedelecs which if taken through MSVA can also have independent throttles: See above post .

Thanks for the update information Stephen. Since this is a UK forum, it's worth noting that in the UK only we now have permission for the latter pedelecs to have throttles, subject to them having MSVA (Motor Cycle Single Vehicle Approval) for the new UK only 250 watt LPM class, a form of type...

Cummings is a prime example of the old adage ending, "those who can't, teach". He made one attempt at doing something useful after moving to Russia, by setting up an airline that only achieved one flight. Since that failure he's only been engaged in criticising others, purporting to have all...

Nonsense again, aid is the last thing Africa needs and we have the proof. Seventy years of US and UK aid produced no improvements in Africa's economy. A much shorter period of Chinese investment and infrastructure building and the African economies are flourishing. .

If you research the US sourced information like this you will find the anti China propaganda, just as all their information on Russia is biased. The facts on Africa's economic growth with Chinese trade are what counts since it's real, in stark contrast to the lack of any growth during 70 years...

Africa has many such con men, taking advantage of the simple African's gullibility, just as we did when we sold them on Christianity, causing them so much future trouble. But that is far removed from China's sensible approach to Africa. Having so recently dragged much of its own population out...

Yes. it is an EAPC and not a motor vehicle. Below is an extract of a reply received from James Brown, International Vehicle Standards section of the DfT: Although ‘Twist and Go’ cycles will require Type Approval according to the dates in EU 168/2013 the decision has been taken that cycles that...

Nonsense, he is rightly protesting about the condescending way celebrities, including our royalty, go there to publicise themselves and charity, rather than actually giving really practical help. As so many leading Africans themselves say, they don't want or need charity, they need to be given...

The discussion had been on anti-semitism so I replied factually on that subject citing the Jewish view. Your above response is totally unwarranted. And how am I to know what you were thinking of if you don't state it? I'm not psychic. And I don't agree, Lammy is absolutely right. .