Help! 1st E-Bike, need help choosing

Saracen

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What a disaster. Finally got my certificate value increased to include the delivery cost and now the price of the bike has increased by £100.

I'm done with Wisper. First not being able to help me out with paying the delivery cost separately and now this. It's just not meant to be.

Can you not go to a proper local bike shop
 

Saracen

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You only say that because you haven't ridden a Wisper Wayfarer with hub motor. There's a reason why the hub-motor version out-sells the crank motor version by 10 to one.

I haven't driven a Bugatti Veyron to know it would be no good for me wither and have ridden FRONT and REAR hubs and they are crap compared to my mid, so don't assume because you will always either be wrong or sound stupid assuming what others do without actual facts.

I said before here, you or someone come off road MTBing with me, I'll use my mid drive you chose front/rear and we will see.
 

saneagle

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MID drive all t5he way just google MID drive or hub drive to see how many IN THE KNOW will say it beats hub hans down
I haven't driven a Bugatti Veyron to know it would be no good for me wither and have ridden FRONT and REAR hubs and they are crap compared to my mid, so don't assume because you will always either be wrong or sound stupid assuming what others do without actual facts.

I said before here, you or someone come off road MTBing with me, I'll use my mid drive you chose front/rear and we will see.
I took your advice and checked out Google to see what people said about crank vs hub motor. It took me all morning. Here are the results:

Out of the people that knew what they were talking about, 5 said crank motors were better and 18 said hub-motors.

Out of those that didn't know what they were taking about, 13 said crank motors were better and zero said hubs.

I therefore conclude that the evidence from Google shows that hubs are better. QED.
 
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flecc

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I said before here, you or someone come off road MTBing with me, I'll use my mid drive you chose front/rear and we will see.
Most of the world's cyclists don't live in Wales or ever go MTBing, so please stop giving bad advice by insisting mid drive is best. For the majority of cyclists in the majority of circumstances, rear hub drive is best for many sound reasons, but for SOME like yourself it isn't. Your choice is fine for you at present with your very obvious lack of extensive experience of pedelecs, but it would be an inferior choice for most commuters and the majority of leisure cyclists.

No people and country are more cycling experienced than the Dutch in The Netherlands, where 70% own a bicycle and 48% currently cycle every day. That experience extends to assisted cycling with e-bikes which they were first doing in the 1930s before anyone else even knew such things existed, and today they have the largest sales of pedelecs pro rata to population in the world. And the two largest bicycle manufacturing groups in the western world are both Dutch, that's Accell Group and Pon Holdings, between them owning and producing a huge range of the best known brands in a number of countries.

With all that vast knowledge and experience the Dutch mainly choose to ride hub motor pedelecs.
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Nealh

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Saracen's replies due to his autism is what is expected of someone with this disibility, a blinkered one way insight as to the way their minds think and rasionalise things,
It is an inibility to except others findings or to except resonable sound discussion.

Forum users need to take in to account his postings and not berate/belittle him , we just have to accept this is his view and no matter what we may say he may never agree with.

As I have mentioned I have used hub bikes in hilly conditions and off road in the wilds of the beuatiful South Downs where one sees little else in bike or people traffic and they worked fine, for some though you will never convince them and they will be led by the mid drive clan and none more so then the short sighted LBS's who are tied to the main brands.
 

guerney

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Most of the world's cyclists don't live in Wales or ever go MTBing, so please stop giving bad advice by insisting mid drive is best. For the majority of cyclists in the majority of circumstances, rear hub drive is best for many sound reasons, but for SOME like yourself it isn't. Your choice is fine for you at present with your very obvious lack of extensive experience of pedelecs, but it would be an inferior choice for most commuters and the majority of leisure cyclists.

No people and country are more cycling experienced than the Dutch in The Netherlands, where 70% own a bicycle and 48% currently cycle every day. That experience extends to assisted cycling with e-bikes which they were first doing in the 1930s before anyone else even knew such things existed, and today they have the largest sales of pedelecs pro rata to population in the world. And the two largest bicycle manufacturing groups in the western world are both Dutch, that's Accell Group and Pon Holdings, between them owning and producing a huge range of the best known brands in a number of countries.

With all that vast knowledge and experience the Dutch mainly choose to ride hub motor pedelecs.
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The Netherlands is as flat as a pancake, therefore I'm not at all surprised the Dutch mostly choose hub motored pedelecs. I would. With 26% of the country below sea level, easier breathing. Even towing of very heavy trailers would be possible with flatness as far as the eye can see in all directions.
 

flecc

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The Netherlands is as flat as a pancake, therefore I'm not at all surprised the Dutch mostly choose hub motored pedelecs. I would. With 26% of the country below sea level, easier breathing. Even towing of very heavy trailers would be possible with flatness as far as the eye can see in all directions.
Precisely my point to Saracen, his saying only mid drives are any good is thoroughly bad advice for the majority of the world's cyclists, given how much more expensive on average they are to buy and run over time and so often unnecessary.

However I fear you've discounted headwinds, which over the polders in the Netherlands are truly fearsome with no land based obstructions to impede them.
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chris667

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Forum users need to take in to account his postings and not berate/belittle him , we just have to accept this is his view and no matter what we may say he may never agree with.
No. I am also neurodivergent and live with someone with autism.

I welcome someone pointing out a social cue when I am being rude. I may disagree and continue, but being neurodivergent does not give me permission to behave badly.
 
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flecc

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What, like recommending wellington boots on a motorbike? :D
Yes indeed, but it's a matter of nomenclature.

In the smart motorcycling world we don't say wellingtons, we say dairy boots, just like they do in dairy farming.

They're excellent for motorcycling. The upstairs large clothing department of the swish Honda m/c dealer in my area always has a range of dairy boots on show.
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guerney

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What, like recommending wellington boots on a motorbike? :D
I used to use German Paratropper boots for that - Gore-tex lining, and after a good going over with Nikwax, the leather became very supple and waterproof. They're great while their Vibram soles remain on.

 

Waspy

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I used to use German Paratropper boots for that - Gore-tex lining, and after a good going over with Nikwax, the leather became very supple and waterproof. They're great while their Vibram soles remain on.

Yes well I couldn't resist having a bit of fun. I don't really want to get on the wrong side of saneagle, he has too much knowledge and advice for me to get blocked.

I wore wellies with a pair of waterproof overtrousers for years on my commute on my CZ175 that I paid £20 for, this was back in the eighties, the bike was old even then.



Years later when I could afford decent bikes I got proper boots, saved my foot one day when I came off my GPZ900R. My son had those German boots for when he went pillion.
 
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saneagle

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I've done well over 1/2 million miles on motorbikes, riding in all weathers, sometimes very long distances, like 650 miles in a day. I used to do all the big winter rallies. I never sat in the driving seat of a car until I was near 30 years old. I can tell you that nothing comes close to a pair of wellies to keep your feet warm and dry. Also, if you want to keep the rest of you dry, one of those yellow pvc builders suits are difficult to beat. They don't cost much, but they need to be replaced every two years because the UV light eventually makes them brittle. They're still cheaper than anything you'd get in a motorbike shop in the long run.

here you can see them in action 900 miles from home during a 2 1/2 thousand mile trip. Note how dry my back is!
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