Battery Fires

[lenny]

House fire extinguished after e-bike battery ignites
"We have extinguished a house fire in Stoke-on-Trent that was caused by an e-bike battery igniting while charging. "

https://www.staffordshirefire.gov.uk/news/posts/house-fire-extinguisped-after-e-bike-battery-ignites/

 

[lenny]

Pilots declare emergency after phone gets stuck in seat and catches fire

https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/360670628/pilots-declare-emergency-after-phone-gets-stuck-seat-and-catches-fire

 

[lenny]

Laser introduces SafeCharge Max power bank range
Laser has introduced a new range of powerbanks featuring Lithium Iron Phosphate (LiFePO₄) battery technology under its ChargeCore sub-brand

Laser introduces SafeCharge Max power bank range - Appliance Retailer

Laser has introduced a new range of powerbanks featuring Lithium Iron Phosphate (LiFePO₄) battery technology under its ChargeCore sub-brand.

www.applianceretailer.com.au

 

[lenny]

Video: Suitcase at Tallinn Airport bursts into flames after battery explosion

Video: Suitcase at Tallinn Airport bursts into flames after battery explosion

Tallinn Airport has released a video showing a traveler's suitcase engulfed in flames after a battery packed inside it exploded.

news.err.ee

 

[saneagle]

For those, who have doubts that EVs catch fire, it seems that our Parliament doesn't agree with you. Please write to your MPs and tell them that they're wrong. Tell them that the petrol and diesel cars are more likely to catch fire than the EVs, so it's those that should be banned:

"Users of the parliamentary estate have been informed that from Friday this week they won't be able to charge their electric vehicles in New Palace Yard's underground car park: “These charging points are due to be removed on health and safety grounds following a review by the Safety and Fire teams"

Parliament Scraps Electric Car Charging Points

Users of the parliamentary estate have been informed that from Friday this week they won't be able to charge their electric vehicles in New Palace Yard's

order-order.com

 

[soundwave]

 

[AntonyC]

That's interesting, is there actual evidence that 4-wheeled EV's are prone to catching fire while charging?

 

[saneagle]

That's interesting, is there actual evidence that 4-wheeled EV's are prone to catching fire while charging?

Parliament seems to think there is, otherwise they wouldn't have banned charging. It says, "following a review by the Safety and Fire teams ". Ask your MP about it.

What you'll see is that these guys will tell you what you must do, but somehow it never seems to apply to them. Maybe they all hate EVs because they find them impractical, so they invented the story about fires, implement the no charging rule, then use that as an excuse why they can't use an EV.

 

[Woosh]

For those, who have doubts that EVs catch fire, it seems that our Parliament doesn't agree with you. Please write to your MPs and tell them that they're wrong. Tell them that the petrol and diesel cars are more likely to catch fire than the EVs, so it's those that should be banned:

"Users of the parliamentary estate have been informed that from Friday this week they won't be able to charge their electric vehicles in New Palace Yard's underground car park: “These charging points are due to be removed on health and safety grounds

You see too much in this. Same as you are not suppose to smoke your cigarette next to a petrol pump, underground charging points represents extra risk.

 

[saneagle]

You see too much in this. Same as you are not suppose to smoke your cigarette next to a petrol pump, underground charging points represents extra risk.

What is the risk then? Is it risk of electrocution, cancer, back strain or what? Parliament specifically mentioned risk assessment by their fire teams. What would they be concerned about?

 

[Woosh]

What is the risk then? Is it risk of electrocution, cancer, back strain or what? Parliament specifically mentioned risk assessment by their fire teams. What would they be concerned about?

It's an underground car park. Any fire will have more severe consequences and charging stations add to sabotage and fire risks however small. They will just have to relocate the charging posts to open air area.

 

[saneagle]

It's an underground car park. Any fire will have more severe consequences and charging stations add to sabotage and fire risks however small. They will just have to relocate the charging posts to open air area.

Petrol cars catch fire more frequently than electric ones, according to your statistics, so why don't they ban them from the underground carparks, and wasn't it a "diesel" car that burnt down Luton Airport? The question is how big is the risk? The Parliamentary Fire and Safety teams have obviously decided that the risk to have EVs charging there is too high. Are they a bunch of wusses or do they know something?

BTW, did you know that each solid state battery that goes in an EV requires 1kg of silver in it? The way the silver and gold markets works for investment is that a lot of ownership is based on promisary notes. Nobody actually has the silver. I heard a few years ago that the actual amount of silver in existance for investment is 30 times over-subscribed compared with how much is owned. Some guys on Reddit calculated that if a million group members all ordered an ounce and had it actually delivered to their house, it would create a shortage, and the price would go up, so they'd make a profit. If what7 they said is true, what's going to happen to the price of silver, when millions of EVs have 1kg of actual silver in them, plus all the phones, laptops and everything else?

At the moment, about 26,000 tons of silver are mined annually, and about 80% of it is already used in industry. If 20% of all cars sold have the solid state batteries, they'd need 16,000 tons of silver.

Who's going to start buying silver while it's cheap?

 

[AndyBike]

Petrol cars catch fire more frequently than electric ones, according to your statistics, so why don't they ban them from the underground carparks,

Indeed, but not while being refilled at the petrol station. They dont use filling stations in underground carparks either, probably due to the build up of explosive fumes

 

[saneagle]

Indeed, but not while being refilled at the petrol station. They dont use filling stations in underground carparks either, probably due to the build up of explosive fumes

What about the diesel cars that burnt down the airports then? Apparently, they just spontaneously burst into flames.

 

[AndyBike]

What about the diesel cars that burnt down the airports then? Apparently, they just spontaneously burst into flames.

This is about underground carparks, do try to keep on topic.

But anyway, things dont just spontaneously burst into flames, theres always some mechanics behind it.
In the case of vehicles/engines its a leak contacting a hot surface, or in the case of organoil (A wood finishing product) its a build up of heat in the bunched up rags, which i believe is also a problem with hay bales.
But as to just happening for no reason, that just doesnt happen.

For such a smart guy, your answers sometimes flummox me

 

[saneagle]

This is about underground carparks, do try to keep on topic.

But anyway, things dont just spontaneously burst into flames, theres always some mechanics behind it.
In the case of vehicles/engines its a leak contacting a hot surface, or in the case of organoil (A wood finishing product) its a build up of heat in the bunched up rags, which i believe is also a problem with hay bales.
But as to just happening for no reason, that just doesnt happen.

For such a smart guy, your answers sometimes flummox me

So battery cars wouldn't spontaneously combust while charging then? In that case, why are they banning them?

 

[Woosh]

So battery cars wouldn't spontaneously combust while charging then? In that case, why are they banning them?

They want to err on the side of caution. In a year or two, new EV batteries will need to be certified to meet new fireproofing standard. That will reduce the fire risk even further.

Have you heard of the new Lithium hydrogen gas batteries?

Rechargeable Lithium‐Hydrogen Gas Batteries - Liu - 2025 - Angewandte Chemie - Wiley Online Library

 

[saneagle]

They want to err on the side of caution. In a year or two, new EV batteries will need to be certified to meet new fireproofing standard. That will reduce the fire risk even further.

Have you heard of the new Lithium hydrogen gas batteries?

Rechargeable Lithium‐Hydrogen Gas Batteries - Liu - 2025 - Angewandte Chemie - Wiley Online Library

It's only caution if the risk is real. Either they catch fire or they don't. Do you know of any that caught fire while charging? How does that compare with petrol and diesel fires catching fire when they come in hot with a fuel leak?

Everybody is betting on the new Samsung solid state batteries that come on stream 2027. As well as not catching fire, they give 600 mile range. Do you think that will be the solution or is there something that they didn't include in their calculation apart from running out of silver and theives stealing the batteries to get the 1kg of silver in each one?

 

[Woosh]

It's only caution if the risk is real. Either they catch fire or they don't. Do you know of any that caught fire while charging? How does that compare with petrol and diesel fires catching fire when they come in hot with a fuel leak?

Everybody is betting on the new Samsung solid state batteries that come on stream 2027. As well as not catching fire, they give 600 mile range. Do you think that will be the solution or is there something that they didn't include in their calculation apart from running out of silver and theives stealing the batteries to get the 1kg of silver in each one?

All those battery technology have limited lifespan. They get replaced when newer technologies are proven more successful. Silver costs about $1000 per kg atm. If Samsung goes full production with their solid state batteries, price of silver will go up. That's pretty certain. I think the new lithium hydrogen gas battery has potential.

 

[lenny]