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wurly

Esteemed Pedelecer
Aug 2, 2008
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Jerry, people here are adults have been around long enough to know when something should be taken at face value. I cannot understand why forums get like this, it is rediculous. It's only about electric bikes. Most of us are treating them as hobbies, to be enjoyed. It's not like it's important.
A couple smiles so you know my post is light hearted:p:p:p:p
 
jerrysimon

jerrysimon

Esteemed Pedelecer
Aug 27, 2009
3,292
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Cambridge, UK
Sometimes I find it hard to work out when people are being serious, taking offense or just having a good old giggle lol

I guess as you say it happens in all forums and you are right of course to remind all its only about "silly" electric bikes as my wife keeps telling me.

Regards

Jerry
 
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barclay

Pedelecer
Dec 12, 2012
26
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London
Oops! I'm back as E-S was too technical!

Whadda I do now? Stuck in-between forums on the interweb at 2:31, someone PLEASE post something technical quickly!!!
 
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103Alex1

Esteemed Pedelecer
Sep 29, 2012
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barclay said:
Oops! I'm back as E-S was too technical!

Whadda I do now? Stuck in-between forums on the interweb at 2:31, someone PLEASE post something technical quickly!!!
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All the techies have gone to bed, mate ... I'm finally going to mine too - have a bike to pick up in the morning :eek:

Don't sweat about the odd post that winds you up here & there ... bound to be occasions when balloons get popped or hornets' nests get stirred up. People are only people & for an internet forum this one is pretty polite (most of the time !). You get all sorts and all views on the interweb and no-one ever gets on with everyone all of the time. Life's too short to take offence ;).
 
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Jeremy

Esteemed Pedelecer
Oct 25, 2007
1,010
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Salisbury
tillson said:
I have a few questions.

1) Who has shown you the, "yellow card" and told you to, "dumb down" the content of your posts?

2) What was the reason given for (1) above?

3) Has something happened / been posted to prompt this?

4) How was this, "order" communicated?

5) Is there any commercial influence going on here?

I'm both curious and disappointed if this is true. I enjoy the technical content. It's the best bit if the forum for me.
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d8veh has summed it up well.

My take on this (as the one who unwittingly seems to have caused offence) is:

1) A member has left the forum, apparently upset by the technical content of one of my posts. No warning to me or anyone else, not even a hint that I'd done something offensive, he/she just went off in a huff.

2) I immediately sent a PM to the member that left apologising for whatever it was I'd written that had caused offence and offering to edit out the offensive content if it was pointed out to me (for the life of me I can't see anything even vaguely offensive, though). This PM was ignored.

3) The member concerned is personally known to flecc, it seems (other than via communications on this forum, I believe).

4) flecc (who as we all know commands more than respect here) critically quoted specific posts by d8veh and myself as being overly technical and hinted that they were unhelpful, whereas pointing out that his style of reply was the type that was helpful.

I've been around on this forum for long enough (as have you) to understand the way things work here. Clearly d8veh and I were being shown the metaphorical yellow card, perhaps because (along with a few others of a technical inclination) we take this forum in directions with which the more influential feel uncomfortable for one reason or another.
 
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103Alex1

Esteemed Pedelecer
Sep 29, 2012
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I must have missed the coconut shy action ... lighten up, guys and girls for heavens' sake. I for one like a bit of a lesson in terminology I could only have dreamed existed before alongside my photos of bikes in sexy locations.

We need the technical bits too. Without them there is no way of making sure those of not of a technical disposition have a chance of getting in perspective the issues we need to make ourselves familiar with.

Perhaps the real problem is our inability to insert smileys and emoticons of our choice ..
 
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GaRRy

Esteemed Pedelecer
May 18, 2012
1,019
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Tamworth
Jeremy said:
.4) flecc (who as we all know commands more than respect here) critically quoted specific posts by d8veh and myself as being overly technical and hinted that they were unhelpful, whereas pointing out that his style of reply was the type that was helpful.
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Isnt amazing how people read things. As I saw it yes he did compare the two types of posts but he also did point out that they were both valid just that some people prefer the style of one to other. He also along with others advocated the opening up of the technical forum so the more technical stuff could be posted there. I think both sides need to take a chill pill and calm down. Unfortunately over the years I have far to often seen people get het up over misinterpreting each others posts due to red mist.

Just remember on internet
mildly offensive = nice compliment.
offensive = compliment.
very offensive = minor disagreement.
really offensive = sorry but I dont ageree with you but i respect your right to say it.
really really offensive = just forget it and get on with something more useful

any worse its just eddie :) sorry eddie but im sure you can take the joke :D
 
tillson

tillson

Esteemed Pedelecer
May 29, 2008
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Jeremy said:
d8veh has summed it up well.

My take on this (as the one who unwittingly seems to have caused offence) is:

1) A member has left the forum, apparently upset by the technical content of one of my posts. No warning to me or anyone else, not even a hint that I'd done something offensive, he/she just went off in a huff.

2) I immediately sent a PM to the member that left apologising for whatever it was I'd written that had caused offence and offering to edit out the offensive content if it was pointed out to me (for the life of me I can't see anything even vaguely offensive, though). This PM was ignored.

3) The member concerned is personally known to flecc, it seems (other than via communications on this forum, I believe).

4) flecc (who as we all know commands more than respect here) critically quoted specific posts by d8veh and myself as being overly technical and hinted that they were unhelpful, whereas pointing out that his style of reply was the type that was helpful.

I've been around on this forum for long enough (as have you) to understand the way things work here. Clearly d8veh and I were being shown the metaphorical yellow card, perhaps because (along with a few others of a technical inclination) we take this forum in directions with which the more influential feel uncomfortable for one reason or another.
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d8veh said:
Flecc pronounced that my post #15 here is too technical and would offend some people compared with his perfect non-offensive reply #17.
http://www.pedelecs.co.uk/forum/electric-bicycles/13491-torque-measurement-relevance-ebikers-ability-enjoy-passing-scenery-2.html
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I've just had a quick look at the offending posts. In fact, I have read the entire thread and something is clearly escaping me. There isn't anything offensive, condescending, overly complex or belittling in there at all. I have a background in mechanical engineering, but I have tried to look at the information posted in that thread through the eyes of someone who has no technical knowledge. Its pretty self explanatory, but if there are any gaps in the explanation, 10 minutes worth of effort researching the subject will make it clear. I must say that I am totally bemused.

To leave or threaten to leave the forum because some posts are perceived by that one person to be too technical or of no interest is childish. Certain aspects of this forum don't interest me and I have little understanding of the subjects, self builds and folders to name two, but I know that both are highly relevant to some people and serve their cycling needs / interests. Opposite to this, the technical aspects do interest me, so I am selective in what I read and contribute to.

This yellow card business is just a whole load of nonsense. Please continue with the technical posts and if someone wants to clear off as a result, let them go. I doubt that they will be missed.
 
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funkylyn

funkylyn

Esteemed Pedelecer
Feb 22, 2011
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South Shields, Tyne & Wear
I totally agree Tillson.......I would like to hear fleccs take on this.....but I suppose at the end of the day.....'least said, soonest mended '

Some people seem to be very thin skinned at times, Im pleased that Im harder skinned, metaphorically speaking of course ( I DO use Sanctuary Spa skin moisturisers :D )

A public forum, by definition, needs to try to be all things to all people, and as you rightly point out, if you dont like or arent interested in a thread....dont read it....quite simple really :)

Lynda :)
 
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tillson

tillson

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May 29, 2008
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d8veh said:
You're not the only one. Here's Flaecc's explanation if you can make any sense of it: post #28. I can't understand at all why he picks on my post as I would say that it's less technical than his as here one has mathematical ratios in it that many wouldn't understand.
http://www.pedelecs.co.uk/forum/electric-bicycles/13465-can-someone-explain-how-350w-motor-can-limited-250w-3.html
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Well it becomes even more bizarre now. I had part read that thread, but have just been back in and read the remainder. What I find most odd is that themutiny hadn't contributed anything until he launched a completely unwarranted post, most of which consisted of criticising Jeremy. What is he expecting to happen now? That we all surrender to his tantrum?

I can sort of see what flecc is hinting at, but sometimes things do get technical and there is no avoiding that. As you will know, the seemingly simple objects which surround us in everyday life are often highly complicated and its human nature to probe, to investigate and to explore and the more we delve into our surroundings, inevitably the discussions will become more complex. Perhaps it is the case that the simple, less technical aspects of electric bikes were discussed in the early days of the forum, but they have been covered now and people want to know more about their bikes, they want to know what effect various parameters have on their cycling experience. This is just the natural evolution of ebikes and their owners exploring and investigating as they become more confident and at ease with what they own.

Dumbing subjects down results in TV programmes such as The Gadget Show or How it's Made. Dreadful programmes which are aimed at people who are too lazy to take the time to understand the subject matter. Ultimately, these programmes undermine engineers, mathematicians, innovators and highly skilled people by making the public take for granted the things which surround them. I hate such programmes.

I don't know if themutiny feels intimidated, humiliated or even constipated when he reads some of the excellent technical posts by Jeremy, d8veh and others too many to name. If anyone should feel this way, it ought to be me. Without getting into qualification top trumps, I have studied mechanical engineering to a high level and I should be very well acquainted with what these people are posting. The truth is, I've either forgotten or somehow managed to get by without actually knowing some of what these people post and that pricks at my conscience. What separates me, and I suspect a majority on here from themutiny, is that rather than publicly throw a tantrum and for some weird reason, spontaneously announce my departure from the forum in a thread in which i have had absolutely no previous involvement, I get on and either refresh my memory, do a bit of research or ask for more explanation.

Please Jeremy, d8veh and others, continue to post as you always have done. It's interesting material and has every right to be seen by those who want to read it.
 
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andy slow coach

Pedelecer
Nov 26, 2012
65
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Hampshire
For someone new to all this ebike stuff (ie me) I found this website by chance and have been reading things on and off for about a year or so, I have now decided to 'join' but find the infighting odd to say the least.
I for one like to read as much as I can about a subject before I commit myself to anything, if I'm reading a thread and don't understand something I'll either search to find related posts on here or the interwebbythingy, I don't post very much because as a 'newby' I'm afraid if asking a silly question but surly that's the only way to find out things, obviously all the answers should be considered whether they are simple, in depth or very complicated.
I want to get an ebike and as such need to find out about them as much as I can before I part with my hard earned cash.
I'm not going to part with 1 or 2 thousand pounds without first finding out whats what. Hub drive, crank drive, torque sensor, watts, ampHr, hall sensor, all things I knew nothing about a few weeks ago, and still don't fully but I hope to learn lots from you lot, but how does one learn if people are not allowed to explain?
Should I turn my back and walk away, forget about ebiking altogether?
Please continue with all the techy and non techy advice and let the reader make up their own mind as to what they choose to read or not to read.
This sort of thing is not going to attract new members is it?
So one last thing, from a newby, what is ES?
:)
 
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banbury frank

Banned
Jan 13, 2011
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Hi Andy

Welcome to the forum

If you tell members a bit about what you want to do with the bike

and some info like you approx weight and Hight I am sure you will get some testimonials and suppler recommendations

Sorry if the Questions sound like a visit to the doctor


Frank
 
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Cyclezee

Guest
Come on Guys.........and Lynda,

Can't we just chill and discuss something bland and non controversial that everyone can agree on without getting upset like petulant children:rolleyes:

How about a helmet debate:)....................Oh well suit yourselves:p
 
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