Bosch-powered bikes

indalo

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Most readers have probably read about the Bosch system in the form of Haibike or KTM through contributions made by owners in this forum. While it may not be comprehensive, the attached link leads to a useful page illustrating many of the early adopters of the system. It seems like you need deep pockets regardless of the manufacturer.


Bosch eBike Systeme - Startseite.

My apologies if this or similar has already been posted, in which case, I obviously missed it.

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eddieo

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Thanks Indalo I have not seen this link before.....

There are a good few models at around 2000 euro(£1800) including ours...

Striking how may manufacturers have taken the system on, and among them some that have ignored the e bike market in the past. I have had a quick look at some of the links, I like Merida, and they have an astonishing 10 different models with Bosch drive!
 

indalo

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Striking how may manufacturers have taken the system on, and among them some that have ignored the e bike market in the past. I have had a quick look at some of the links, I like Merida, and they have an astonishing 10 different models with Bosch drive!
Did you spot Scott bikes in that list Ed? I have no idea where they are made or who the parent company might be but it could be significant in a similar way to Raleigh with their re-badged Kalkhoffs as there are loads of bike shops supplying Scott bikes in the UK. If they tool up some of those dealerships and train the workshop staff, who knows?

There's certainly a vast array of models sporting Bosch power but no budget models for the moment.

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eddieo

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I tried to source the Scott E sportster or the Stevens Carpo but gave up, found the KTM at a decent price, and went for that.

I dont think they will ever be a budget bike..more along the lines of Panasonic I guess
 

eddieo

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I looked at the Stevens bikes at eurobike...they were not particularly helpful and the quality to my eyes was not as good as the KTM

OK...That is useful! lol

Dave, did you get an opportunity to try a Bosch powered bike at show? be interested in what you thought.....

Thanks Eddie
 

scarrabri

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Most readers have probably read about the Bosch system in the form of Haibike or KTM through contributions made by owners in this forum. While it may not be comprehensive, the attached link leads to a useful page illustrating many of the early adopters of the system. It seems like you need deep pockets regardless of the manufacturer.


Bosch eBike Systeme - Startseite.

My apologies if this or similar has already been posted, in which case, I obviously missed it.

Indalo
Hi sorry for not quite understanding this ,but i take it this is crank Driven ,similar to the Tonaro ?
only higher spec.because it looks smart in the photo if it is ,and if it is crank driven ,is it good at hill climbs ,i dont know a lot about Bosch-powered bikes but it seem very interesting ,best wishes Brian.
 

eddieo

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If you look on German forum where the owners are many, the opinion is that they are better hill climbers then the competition.......
 

Kudoscycles

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Eddie,Bosch drive bike.....yes I rode the Cannondale Alfine 8 with Bosch drive,it went up the hill very well,it was a very refined bike and felt very strong. There is no question that these centre mount crank drive bikes are better up hills than hub drives,which is what you would expect because the motor power and rider input are being used efficiently through the bikes gearing system-the bike had an annoying habit of switching power on/off/on as you bridged the 25kmh limit. Up the hill it felt right to ride the bike like a conventional bike but with assist-by that I mean down to 2nd gear and high cadence but with low pedal effort.
However I also rode a front motor 250watt Suzhou Bafang hub drive up the hill,it went up quite well but it felt better in 3rd or 4th gear (both bikes had the Nexus 8 gears),it was necessary to use more pedal effort but with low cadence and then the bike went up the hill very fast,it was important not to allow the speed to drop too much for then the power dropped away
So in conclusion if you want to ride up hills with less pedal effort the crank drive is the way to go but if you are prepared to put a bit more effort in then the hub drive was if anything a bit quicker.
The Cannondale was Euro 2800,the hub drive was about Euro 1000. I did see a place for crank drive if you wish to efficiently climb hills with minimum pedal effort but the hub drive with good software is an inefficient basic principle which good design makes work pretty well,many would find the price difference attractive.
Hope that is a fair review.
Dave
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Kudoscycles

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I forgot to add that I also tried an asian crank drive bike,two bikes-Bike 1 had EN15194 certification,250 watts,it was equally good as the Bosch system,went up the hill very well. Bike 2 had 2 big batteries,ominous the need for so much Ah,it literally flew up the hill at 30mph...I took it back to the booth,the sales guy said it was 'nominal 250 watts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!',yeh ok.
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TorAtle

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the bike had an annoying habit of switching power on/off/on as you bridged the 25kmh limit
Was this in speed-mode? There's a couple of graphs in the user manual showing this mode to be the most aggressive. Should be less noticeable in other modes I think.
 

eddieo

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When I started looking around for Bosch bikes in The UK there where a few retailers with them advertised on their web sites, including the like of Evans Cycles. But when you called they where a bit sheepish and embarrassed to say they would not be getting any 2011 bikes!

Seems like it was "Justebikes" with the Haibike, that managed to get any stock.....I even had trouble sourcing a KTM in Belgium (we pass through regularly) and In the end Germany was easier...

I am sure they will get here eventually:p
 

JuicyBike

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There's certainly a vast array of models sporting Bosch power but no budget models for the moment.

Indalo
I had a little chat with the SB reps who assured me they are working on a crank drive motor...

What was most striking to me about the event was the number of suppliers relying on the Bosch system. I know the European market is so much more developed but such a commitment by so many badges to one motor leaves me thinking about the impact of supply issues that may arise, or even the possibility of teething issues...

I know, I know... Das ist Verboten! Strike that thought!

San eagle displayed an early Chinese system that looked like it may have promise in the future.
 

Tim

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We have a HaiBike eQ Xduro FS 52cm frame in our window here in Richmond. £800 off - £2095
Electric Bikes - Sport - HaiBike eQ Xduro FS

It's been out on one test run around Richmond Park and one customer test ride (he bought a Pro Connect S and 2 x BH Emotion folders instead, but did like the HaiBike, just didn't fit his immediate need).

All the smaller sizes did sell out very early on. But there's a bargain to be had now...
 

eddieo

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We have a HaiBike eQ Xduro FS 52cm frame in our window here in Richmond. £800 off - £2095
Electric Bikes - Sport - HaiBike eQ Xduro FS

It's been out on one test run around Richmond Park and one customer test ride (he bought a Pro Connect S and 2 x BH Emotion folders instead, but did like the HaiBike, just didn't fit his immediate need).

All the smaller sizes did sell out very early on. But there's a bargain to be had now...
Are you still going to sell them next season Tim...what about another line?

frame to big for me, and dual suspension a bit overkill for my needs also.....