I would suggest you go out and check what is happening in the real world before replying
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Brexit, for once some facts.
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Brexit wasn't something that was supposed to be survivable, it was supposed to be a wonderful opportunity
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From the Express
The "Victory for beleaguered Brexit Britain" is under way
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BREXIT BREAKTHROUGH: France CAVES IN over Irish border as May secures huge UK victory
THERESA May's push for a Brexit breakthrough was dramatically boosted last night when French officials hinted at a possible compromise on the eve of an EU summit.
President Macron is seen as a key figure in the negotiations whose outspoken criticism of Britain's Brexit vote led to the Prime Minister's proposals being rebuffed at an earlier summit in Salzburg last month.
But his officials yesterday indicated that fresh proposals for a "temporary backstop" contingency plan as an insurance policy designed to keep no hard border between Northern Ireland and the Irish Republic could be put on the table.
Their compromise included a guarantee the so-called backstop would be "temporary" but "without too precise an end date", the Elysee Palace source said.
No mention anywhere of a "Huge Victory" was there?
The "Victory for beleaguered Brexit Britain" is under way
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BREXIT BREAKTHROUGH: France CAVES IN over Irish border as May secures huge UK victory
THERESA May's push for a Brexit breakthrough was dramatically boosted last night when French officials hinted at a possible compromise on the eve of an EU summit.
President Macron is seen as a key figure in the negotiations whose outspoken criticism of Britain's Brexit vote led to the Prime Minister's proposals being rebuffed at an earlier summit in Salzburg last month.
But his officials yesterday indicated that fresh proposals for a "temporary backstop" contingency plan as an insurance policy designed to keep no hard border between Northern Ireland and the Irish Republic could be put on the table.
Their compromise included a guarantee the so-called backstop would be "temporary" but "without too precise an end date", the Elysee Palace source said.
No mention anywhere of a "Huge Victory" was there?
The impression given was that good things would start within minutes of the referendum (if it was for brexit), more wonderful things would happen when A50 was delivered, and we would be in the promised land by actual exit.
So far as I can see none of these has come about, nor is likely to, now or ever.
The same people are now trying the brexit trick...
Britain fell for a neoliberal con trick – even the IMF says so
Aditya Chakrabortty
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/oct/17/economic-lies-neoliberalism-taxpayers
Britain fell for a neoliberal con trick – even the IMF says so
Aditya Chakrabortty
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/oct/17/economic-lies-neoliberalism-taxpayers
The elephant in the room, the obvious "way through", is to remain.
Is there a way through the Brexit maze?
Laura Kuenssberg Political editor
It's becoming increasingly common around Westminster to hear MPs say, "I simply can't see a way through."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45882356
Is there a way through the Brexit maze?
Laura Kuenssberg Political editor
It's becoming increasingly common around Westminster to hear MPs say, "I simply can't see a way through."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45882356
NO DEAL......I want to see what's in the box
Before the UK is dragged out of the EU with no deal or with any deal that makes the UK worse off, this matter should be dealt with:
Police still not investigating Leave campaigns, citing ‘political sensitivities’
The fuller version is here and is a 'must-read':
https://www.opendemocracy.net/uk/brexitinc/james-cusick-adam-ramsay/met-police-stall-brexit-campaign-investigations-claiming-polit?utm_source=openDemocracyUK+weekly:+Who+owns+our+democracy?&utm_campaign=a19510501c-WHO_OWNS_ELECTION_MAILCHIMP_NEWSLETTER_COPY_14&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_cb5cf7dd0a-a19510501c-408051433
Tom
Police still not investigating Leave campaigns, citing ‘political sensitivities’
The fuller version is here and is a 'must-read':
https://www.opendemocracy.net/uk/brexitinc/james-cusick-adam-ramsay/met-police-stall-brexit-campaign-investigations-claiming-polit?utm_source=openDemocracyUK+weekly:+Who+owns+our+democracy?&utm_campaign=a19510501c-WHO_OWNS_ELECTION_MAILCHIMP_NEWSLETTER_COPY_14&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_cb5cf7dd0a-a19510501c-408051433
Tom
Perhaps the information should be passed to a police force not in the pocket of the Political party in power to apply the full rigour of the law if the Met are unable to fulfil their duty.
Those in charge should be censured for dereliction of Duty
The despicable owners and editorial team that run the blatant tory propaganda organ, the Daily Express, have produced this lurid front page today. I guess they would prefer if the British public is not permitted to reconsider its position in the light of the knowledge and information available now that was absent in 2016:
After two years of failed negotiations, Britain is heading for a dog’s dinner of Brexit. It’s a million miles from the one people who campaigned for Brexit were promised.
This Saturday, tens of thousands of people will be marching on Parliament to show that they are not going to let Brexit be stitched up by the political elites and Brextremist MPs.
The only way to fix the Brexit mess is a People’s Vote. Join the People's Vote March for the Future this Saturday: www.peoples-vote.uk/march
The Daily Express would prefer if this wasn't allowed to happen as it is contrary to the views held by its owners and sponsors.
Tom
After two years of failed negotiations, Britain is heading for a dog’s dinner of Brexit. It’s a million miles from the one people who campaigned for Brexit were promised.
This Saturday, tens of thousands of people will be marching on Parliament to show that they are not going to let Brexit be stitched up by the political elites and Brextremist MPs.
The only way to fix the Brexit mess is a People’s Vote. Join the People's Vote March for the Future this Saturday: www.peoples-vote.uk/march
The Daily Express would prefer if this wasn't allowed to happen as it is contrary to the views held by its owners and sponsors.
Tom
Here is the perfect reponse to the nonsense of your reply, a reader comment in the Independent sums up the absurdity of your viewpoint
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Real European 10 hours ago
That’s right. Freedom from a powerful union of which your PM was one of the leaders, of which your national ministers and MEPs made the laws, of which your parliament defined the competences. That’s what you will finally be free from! To become trapped by trade deals with states such as the US, that will force you to "level" with the rule book made in the US while you won’t have any say in making those rules, that will force you to put your NHS up for privatisation, decimate your workers protection rights, environmental protection, your social services etc etc. But at least you’ll be free from a union in which you helped make the rules and of which your Prime Minister was one of the leaders.
And what do you offer ? we can survive...Not good enough by a million miles, is it?
These tory clowns are detached from reality as the little video clip contained inside this piece demonstrates:
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It beggars belief!
Tom
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It beggars belief!
Tom
Fascinating? what are we supposed to respect exactly? that 17.4 million people voted in total ignorance of the result of their actions after being conned, by a bunch of conniving traitors desperate to protect their offshore Tax Havens and supported by the Press and propaganda organizations in the pay of Putin?
The police don’t have any money left for investigations, except for those involving geriatric disc jockeys touching up “birds” 45 years ago.
The police have spent all of their money buying 6 aeroplanes that cannot and will never be licensed for UK police aviation operations by the CAA. The planes are sitting in a hangar at Doncaster airport, and in a hangar in Austria. They are also paying an eye-watering ground rent for the Doncaster hangar, office block and training facility which cost them millions to construct. As if that wasn’t enough, they pay the owner of Doncaster airport for a minimum number of aircraft movements per annum, which of course don’t happen. Oh. and don’t forget the wages of the pilots and crews, who are sitting on their backsides at Doncaster with no operational aircraft to fly, and have been doing so for the past 2.5 years. This is a prime example UK public services waste and the root cause can be traced back to the same source in every case:- gross incompetence, bell-ends appointed by target driven quotas into posts way beyond their capabilities. This is exactly what we are witnessing with the retards running Brexit.
CH4 reported on 'Cabinet frank brexit talk' yesterday:
https://www.channel4.com/news/by/gary-gibbon/blogs/cabinets-frank-brexit-talks
on how to stitch up the DUP by time limiting the NI border concession.
At least there is a clear majority in the cabinet. English Conservatives to stitch up NI Conservatives.
https://www.channel4.com/news/by/gary-gibbon/blogs/cabinets-frank-brexit-talks
on how to stitch up the DUP by time limiting the NI border concession.
At least there is a clear majority in the cabinet. English Conservatives to stitch up NI Conservatives.
Now that is an eye opener tillson, not widely reported, is this link referring to the same outfit, perhaps?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Police_Air_Service?
This is the view of the Grown ups on Brexit right now
"European Parliament Brexit Steering Group chaired by Guy Verhofstadt issued the following statement this Monday 15 October: “We have followed very closely the developments of the last 24 hours. It is our very strong view that the Withdrawal Agreement must include a workable, legally operational and all-weather backstop for the Ireland/Northern Ireland border fully in line with the Joint Report of last December and the Prime Minister May’s letter to President Tusk of 19 March 2018. Without such a backstop, the European Parliament would not be in a position to give its consent to the Withdrawal Agreement. We reiterate our full support for the Chief Negotiator and his negotiating strategy.” -- unquote -- http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/20181015IPR16074/brexit-ep-steering-group-insists-on-need-for-ireland-northern-ireland-backstop"
And what are the children going to do in reponse I wonder?
"European Parliament Brexit Steering Group chaired by Guy Verhofstadt issued the following statement this Monday 15 October: “We have followed very closely the developments of the last 24 hours. It is our very strong view that the Withdrawal Agreement must include a workable, legally operational and all-weather backstop for the Ireland/Northern Ireland border fully in line with the Joint Report of last December and the Prime Minister May’s letter to President Tusk of 19 March 2018. Without such a backstop, the European Parliament would not be in a position to give its consent to the Withdrawal Agreement. We reiterate our full support for the Chief Negotiator and his negotiating strategy.” -- unquote -- http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/20181015IPR16074/brexit-ep-steering-group-insists-on-need-for-ireland-northern-ireland-backstop"
And what are the children going to do in reponse I wonder?
Yes The National Police Air Service , NPAS. Their head has recently been suspended pending a bullying investigation. As the head of NPAS, he shoulders much of the responsibility for the clusterfuck I’ve outlined above. Allegedly, he has been trying to hide the whole mess and silencing internal criticism by threatening his staff.
NPAS is the reason many regional forces, such as Humberside near you, have lost their police helicopter. They pinned the future to fixed wing ops, which of course has failed on spectacular fashion.