Brexit, for once some facts.
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why?
it's the same withdrawal deal that any UK PM will have to agree to, the EU may give a little ground to sweeten it but there won't be any change on the money or backstop.
In my view the May Deal is the second worst of all possible worlds. ..and is a close run thing for the worst . The problem for any moderate leavers is that it was never going to be better. Wooshs point about additional state aid and nationalisation of previous state assets would not have caused a problem in EU circles. Problems only arise when state aid is given to private companies enabling them to distort competition against comparable companies. A state run Water board or Railway system.. particularly on an island would have been a no brainer.
If we want to leave with benefits such as continuing to trade with the EU on favourable terms, May's deal is as good as it can get so strictly speaking it's not a bad deal yet. We will only be able to fairly judge it when the next phase of the trade talks is completed, when the whole package value will be seen.
The alternative of just walking out will be far worse for very many years, possibly for ever.
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Yes the best deal is the one the UK currently enjoys,and will continue to enjoy until 30th. March .
I see the coedy continues in the Telegraph
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Britain to become 'true global player' post-Brexit with military bases in South East Asia and Caribbean
Can anyone come up with an even slightly believable reason for a base on either America or China's Doorstep?
What are they supposed to actually do, apart from waste huge amounts of money?
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Britain to become 'true global player' post-Brexit with military bases in South East Asia and Caribbean
Can anyone come up with an even slightly believable reason for a base on either America or China's Doorstep?
What are they supposed to actually do, apart from waste huge amounts of money?
Yes, well aware that those convinced we should hurtle into no-deal will point out the remain credentials of the Guardian.
Food prices to finance: what a no-deal Brexit could mean for Britain
Guardian journalists spell out the potential impact, sector by sector, on national life
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/dec/30/food-prices-to-finance-what-a-no-deal-brexit-could-mean-for-britain
Food prices to finance: what a no-deal Brexit could mean for Britain
Guardian journalists spell out the potential impact, sector by sector, on national life
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/dec/30/food-prices-to-finance-what-a-no-deal-brexit-could-mean-for-britain
I did the same and feel exactly the same way. The comparison though is almost an insult to limp lettuce. With any other leader, Labour would be 25 points or more ahead in the polls.
a WTO terms exit may seem worse, in reality it will cause such mayhem that leavers will clamour to rejoin fully in short shrift, whereas May's deal smacks of death by a thousand cuts
You do realise you are speaking as someone who has committed the travesty of voting for May?
Yes, the lesser of 3 evils. Corbyn would do far more danage to econony then Brexit ever could and his defence policy is a complete and utter shambles.... errr. Keep Trident replacement at billions and billions but tell whole world he would never ever use it...now that is stupidity at its utmost. But that is Corbyn's way. Sit on fence. May on the other hand has gone up in my estimations. From utterly useless to best of a bad lot.
Looks like it was supposed to have started on 1st March 2018!
https://theisleofthanetnews.com/2018/04/14/thanet-council-confirms-talks-with-ostend-ramsgate-ferry-operator-hopeful/
The company appears to be worth approximately nothing - certainly not what I would sink millions into.
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10709921/filing-history
It may be a deliberate cover job. Apparently the government were anxious that continental firms didn't win bids for these contracts and be seen to be benefitting from Brexit. Yet their capacity could be needed.
So what this non-company could be is a shield under which the continentals ferries can operate as British run.
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One director is French.
But it appears that no-one in the industry seems to believe they could be up and running from Ramsgate by 29/03/2019. No ships. Difficult/restricted port. Website shows they are not even advertising for staff. I saw one possible ship mentioned - launched 1987 which is getting rather long in the tooth. And you need more than one bateau to sail three sailings each way every day.
Adding link:
No-deal Brexit ferry company owns no ships and has never run Channel service
Concerns raised over Seaborne Freight, which won a £13.8m contract to operate a Ramsgate to Ostend route
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/dec/30/no-deal-brexit-ferry-company-owns-no-ships-and-has-never-run-ferry-service