I didn't realise you were still here.. still prancing around as usual with nothing relevant as usual.
Why do you bother?
Brexit, for once some facts.
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Why do you bother?
Back on topic:
lets look at the brexiteer claim that they wanted out because of all the EU rules forced on them
Here are the number of new laws 1996 to 2014
Which urinates well and truly on that particular bonfire!
Here are just Seven of the laws we voted no to
(1/72) 29/03/1996 https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/ALL/?uri=CELEX:31996L0021 … EU: Food labels should say if Aspartine is present. UK: Nonsense. Bloody red tape! (Linked to cancer, headaches and seizures, even Pepsi USA stopped using it by 2015)
(2/72) 29/04/1996 https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=CELEX:01996L0022-20081218&from=IT … EU: Ban on livestock growth-boosters with hormonal, thyrostatic or beta-agonist effects (carcinogenic residue in meat). UK: Aw come on - a little bit of cancer never hurt no-one.
(3/72) 03/06/1996 https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=CELEX:31996L0035&from=EN … EU: Safety advisers dealing with transport of dangerous goods on public roads etc must be properly trained and regulated. UK: Bleedin elf'n'safety gorn mad. Wassamatta wiv a bit a toxic spillage across a playground?
(4/72) 27/06/1996 https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A31996R1168 … EU: we need some conservation measures to preserve North Atlantic fish stocks. UK: Ah Phooey. There's plenty o' fish in the sea. We've even registered on the website.
(5/72) 22/07/1996 https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=celex:31996L0070 … EU: additives to mineral water must be safe and labels must be honest (eg "spring water" has to come from an actual spring) UK: This will kill our sales of Dell-boy Trotter's "Peckham Spring Water".
(6/72) 24/09/1996 https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=CELEX:31996L0071&rid=2 … EU: posted workers must be given the same pay and conditions as local workers. UK: You're kidding! The whole POINT of posted workers is to undercut the locals and undermine their employment rights.
(7/72) 09/12/1996 https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A31996D0715 … EU: lets have a consistent approach to data collection on goods traded between member states? UK: Hmm. That buggers up our carousel fraud schemes, somewhat.
I know the attention span of leave voters won't even make it past the first couple of laws, so I'll leave it that , let's just say we should have agreed with every single one, as it was in our interests (But not the Conservatives and their paymasters) to do so.
lets look at the brexiteer claim that they wanted out because of all the EU rules forced on them
Here are the number of new laws 1996 to 2014
Which urinates well and truly on that particular bonfire!
Here are just Seven of the laws we voted no to
(1/72) 29/03/1996 https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/ALL/?uri=CELEX:31996L0021 … EU: Food labels should say if Aspartine is present. UK: Nonsense. Bloody red tape! (Linked to cancer, headaches and seizures, even Pepsi USA stopped using it by 2015)
(2/72) 29/04/1996 https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=CELEX:01996L0022-20081218&from=IT … EU: Ban on livestock growth-boosters with hormonal, thyrostatic or beta-agonist effects (carcinogenic residue in meat). UK: Aw come on - a little bit of cancer never hurt no-one.
(3/72) 03/06/1996 https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=CELEX:31996L0035&from=EN … EU: Safety advisers dealing with transport of dangerous goods on public roads etc must be properly trained and regulated. UK: Bleedin elf'n'safety gorn mad. Wassamatta wiv a bit a toxic spillage across a playground?
(4/72) 27/06/1996 https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A31996R1168 … EU: we need some conservation measures to preserve North Atlantic fish stocks. UK: Ah Phooey. There's plenty o' fish in the sea. We've even registered on the website.
(5/72) 22/07/1996 https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=celex:31996L0070 … EU: additives to mineral water must be safe and labels must be honest (eg "spring water" has to come from an actual spring) UK: This will kill our sales of Dell-boy Trotter's "Peckham Spring Water".
(6/72) 24/09/1996 https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=CELEX:31996L0071&rid=2 … EU: posted workers must be given the same pay and conditions as local workers. UK: You're kidding! The whole POINT of posted workers is to undercut the locals and undermine their employment rights.
(7/72) 09/12/1996 https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A31996D0715 … EU: lets have a consistent approach to data collection on goods traded between member states? UK: Hmm. That buggers up our carousel fraud schemes, somewhat.
I know the attention span of leave voters won't even make it past the first couple of laws, so I'll leave it that , let's just say we should have agreed with every single one, as it was in our interests (But not the Conservatives and their paymasters) to do so.
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I am not going to get into the name calling game. However I suspect that the esteemed TD from Louth, has no lnkling of the events in Derry. .. He is trying to present himself and become the avuncular "uncle" and chef in these his retirement years.
Rather than being sanguine about a no deal Brexit, ..I am very worried that it will come to pass, not least because i have learn today that a particularly expensive medicine ,used to keep my son alive( no hyperbole here ), is manufactured uniquely in Armagh.
IIf you look back over that sequence of posting, they would have tried the patience of a saint.And by his own admission, flecc, is no saint.
Must admit OG thats a good one.. Made me smile. Wouldnt mind going but flight would be a bugger...Found a picture of your hire car
Here is some into
Sky News obtains Border Force contingency presentation slide assuming a No Deal Brexit fall in cross Channel freight traffic of 75% to 87% for next 3-6 months as a “reasonable worst case”
A spokesperon for the Leave Campaign responded reassuringly
Nah, it's gonna be alright on the night , innit Guv? it's only them remainers in the Border Force and wot do they know?
Hmm I wonder just how great a capacity these warehouses we keep hearing about really have?
Sky News obtains Border Force contingency presentation slide assuming a No Deal Brexit fall in cross Channel freight traffic of 75% to 87% for next 3-6 months as a “reasonable worst case”
A spokesperon for the Leave Campaign responded reassuringly
Nah, it's gonna be alright on the night , innit Guv? it's only them remainers in the Border Force and wot do they know?
Hmm I wonder just how great a capacity these warehouses we keep hearing about really have?
Now that is concerning, is that Norbrook or Almac maybe? Can`t see a major problem if coming down from N.I., or is it imported back from GB?
Yes, it`s a total mess at Westminster
Once again members can refer to this link to see who was guilty of reprehensible behaviour. Those wishing to delve deeper can look at the sequence that began with this question from you and the tenor of our responses to each other thereafter.
They will see, as some have already, that of the two of us, I have nothing to apologise for.
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Give up the pair of you. Nobody has been injured. Shake hands and move on. Forget it. It happens. We are all as bad as each other.
Lifes too short to argue. Look at me and OG...
Translation:
Cameron did not think
Blame Lib Dems
Cameron did not think EU referendum would happen, says Tusk
European council president reveals PM was convinced that Lib Dems would block the vote
Cameron did not think
Blame Lib Dems
Cameron did not think EU referendum would happen, says Tusk
European council president reveals PM was convinced that Lib Dems would block the vote
That is what I would like to do Zlatan, and as you know from our posting history I never bear a grudge.
But I do not want to move on from Tommie posting a permanent record to members that my behaviour was seriously at fault when that certainly wasn't the case. All I was doing eleven times in that sequence was patiently posting demonstrably honest replies to some frankly disgraceful repeated challenges.
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Good read.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jan/21/donald-tusk-warned-david-cameron-about-stupid-eu-referendum-bbc
quote:
In an interview as part of a BBC documentary, Tusk said: “I asked David Cameron, ‘Why did you decide on this referendum, this – it’s so dangerous, so even stupid, you know,’ and, he told me – and I was really amazed and even shocked – that the only reason was his own party.”
Tusk continued: “[He told me] he felt really safe, because he thought at the same time that there’s no risk of a referendum, because his coalition partner, the Liberals, would block this idea of a referendum. But then, surprisingly, he won and there was no coalition partner. So paradoxically David Cameron became the real victim of his own victory.”
She has more faith than do I:
No-deal Brexit is a Dad’s Army parody and I refuse to stockpile
Polly Toynbee
Plan B? No, just B for Back to Brussels to Beg a Better Backstop, not even Botoxing her old plan A. Theresa May does not surprise. Wild rumours that she might dash for another election or resign mid-crisis fooled no one. Why expect better? If she pretended to listen to flotillas of visitors imploring her to see sense, change course, stop the madness, then she wore earplugs. Of course nothing changed. However, she has every reason for intransigence, strapped to her pilot seat, clamped in irons. Move an inch on the customs union, soften a red line and she would haemorrhage Tory MPs, winning few from Labour. Kate Hoey may cavort at Jacob Rees-Mogg’s Bollinger bash at his home to celebrate May’s 230-vote defeat, but entices no fellow Labour MPs.
As the captive prime-minister-in-name-only runs the clock down closer to a nuclear no deal, how terrified should we be? Pay attention when her own business minister, Richard Harrington MP, warns that it would be such an “absolute disaster” that he would resign, warning of car industry collapse if supply chains were cut. Some cabinet ministers would walk, too, rather than take the blame for needless carnage. Every day brings more bad news: the International Air Transport Association warns that 5m sold airline tickets could be cancelled: no deal means no extra flights above last year’s quota.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jan/21/no-deal-brexit-dads-army-stockpile-parliament
No-deal Brexit is a Dad’s Army parody and I refuse to stockpile
Polly Toynbee
Plan B? No, just B for Back to Brussels to Beg a Better Backstop, not even Botoxing her old plan A. Theresa May does not surprise. Wild rumours that she might dash for another election or resign mid-crisis fooled no one. Why expect better? If she pretended to listen to flotillas of visitors imploring her to see sense, change course, stop the madness, then she wore earplugs. Of course nothing changed. However, she has every reason for intransigence, strapped to her pilot seat, clamped in irons. Move an inch on the customs union, soften a red line and she would haemorrhage Tory MPs, winning few from Labour. Kate Hoey may cavort at Jacob Rees-Mogg’s Bollinger bash at his home to celebrate May’s 230-vote defeat, but entices no fellow Labour MPs.
As the captive prime-minister-in-name-only runs the clock down closer to a nuclear no deal, how terrified should we be? Pay attention when her own business minister, Richard Harrington MP, warns that it would be such an “absolute disaster” that he would resign, warning of car industry collapse if supply chains were cut. Some cabinet ministers would walk, too, rather than take the blame for needless carnage. Every day brings more bad news: the International Air Transport Association warns that 5m sold airline tickets could be cancelled: no deal means no extra flights above last year’s quota.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jan/21/no-deal-brexit-dads-army-stockpile-parliament
Shades of
"Praise the Lord, but keep your ammunition dry!" time!
Definitely NOT project Fear in the Express
END OF UK? Brexit People's Vote could ‘BREAK UP BRITAIN’ warns May - United Ireland LOOMS
THERESA May has warned a second EU referendum could trigger widespread civil disorder and unrest across Britain by destroying trust in Parliament - as well as the “break-up of our United Kingdom”.
Perhaps we need to find a new name for this sort of thing then?
END OF UK? Brexit People's Vote could ‘BREAK UP BRITAIN’ warns May - United Ireland LOOMS
THERESA May has warned a second EU referendum could trigger widespread civil disorder and unrest across Britain by destroying trust in Parliament - as well as the “break-up of our United Kingdom”.
Perhaps we need to find a new name for this sort of thing then?
It depends how it’s handled. If May is in charge, I agree, unrest is a possibility. She must be disposed of ASAP.
A fresh leader with a fresh approach gives us the best chance of making progress. May is stuck permanently in plan A and will never shift, even if she was the only person left supporting it.
Is there a government assessment somewhere that leavers are more likely to indulge in civil unrest than remainers?
If there is not, this appears to be perverse and fire stoking.
If there is, it rather shows that the government would rather pacify them than consider the current opinions.
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Why shouldn't Scotland be independent?
Why shouldn't Ireland be united?
Why shouldn't Ireland be united?
it's the same argument for and against brexit, which single market is more important to Scotland and NI? the UK or the EU?
If we have a hard brexit, then an independent Scotland and member of the EU may be better for Scotland but that's not a given.
A united Ireland may be much more realistic.