Brexit, for once some facts.

oldgroaner

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Zlatan, why does it matter how many in any given group of people are from a particular ethnic background, have a particular skin colour, are of a certain sexual orientation, are of a specified gender, etc, etc? What does it have to do with anything?

I never think, my dentist’s family originated from India, or a specialist at the hospital is of Chinese heritage, or the receptionist is a white man with a local accent, or the newsreader has black skin. Why would anyone count these things, it’s insane. Could you tell me how many MEPs sport a moustache, or how many have blonde hair? It’s no more or less relevant than any other human idiosyncrasy.
His problem is that the Multi racial ethnic group "pathologically argumentative" are under represented.
Well, someone qualified has to stand up for them, after all.
Apart from their heros Lord Nigel and Tommy Robinson
 

oldgroaner

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Now the lords Brexiteers are having a little "project fear of their own in the Guardian
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Brexit latest news: Eurosceptic peers warn MPs of violent uprising if they refuse to honour referendum "

Rhubarb Rhubarb
 
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oldgroaner

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May has asked for an extension to 30th of June.
This year? did she site this as the reason?
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House of Commons suspended after water pours through ceiling
Leak soaks section of press gallery, fills light fittings and floods a cafe on the floor above

They need a Polish plumber :D
 

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who won this argument?

JRM: We could veto any increase in the budget, obstruct the putative EU army and block Mr Macron’s integrationist schemes.

LBC's James O'Brien:

"We were told for several years that the European Union is an institution over which we exercise next to no influence whatsoever. We are forced to kowtow to whatever directives come from Brussels. We have no power to stop things we don't like.

But you can't do that unless you have the power in the first place."
 

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who won this argument?

JRM: We could veto any increase in the budget, obstruct the putative EU army and block Mr Macron’s integrationist schemes.

LBC's James O'Brien:

"We were told for several years that the European Union is an institution over which we exercise next to no influence whatsoever. We are forced to kowtow to whatever directives come from Brussels. We have no power to stop things we don't like.

But you can't do that unless you have the power in the first place."

They are blocking the veto this term. That's my understanding.

You can't stop the project.
 

50Hertz

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They are blocking the veto this term. That's my understanding.

You can't stop the project.
Blocking the UK’s veto in the event that we take part in the EU elections and extend A50 for 12 months, or blocking the power of veto generally for all nations?
 

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I personally think the Conservatives will be very badly damaged by the whole fiasco. Don't think they will disappear altogether, but will become a much smaller entity. I think Labour will suffer likewise. Already been shown in Bye election with both major parties losing ground to UKIP who tripled their vote. I think the result of this will be a swing to more right wing parties such as UKIP. Can't see the country swinging to the left
 

oldgroaner

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who won this argument?

JRM: We could veto any increase in the budget, obstruct the putative EU army and block Mr Macron’s integrationist schemes.

LBC's James O'Brien:

"We were told for several years that the European Union is an institution over which we exercise next to no influence whatsoever. We are forced to kowtow to whatever directives come from Brussels. We have no power to stop things we don't like.

But you can't do that unless you have the power in the first place."
I tweeted this "Oaf de-luxe" back

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Replying to @[B]Jacob_Rees_Mogg[/B]

They wouldn't notice any difference would they? we've been doing that for the last forty years, and blaming them for the incompetence of the UK parliament too
 
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oldgroaner

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I personally think the Conservatives will be very badly damaged by the whole fiasco. Don't think they will disappear altogether, but will become a much smaller entity. I think Labour will suffer likewise. Already been shown in Bye election with both major parties losing ground to UKIP who tripled their vote. I think the result of this will be a swing to more right wing parties such as UKIP. Can't see the country swinging to the left
UKIP are a one trick pony, and it fell at the first hurdle.
They have nothing going for them as a major party, just a protest vote really.
After brexit goes belly up right wing parties will be forgotten and discredited.
 
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oldgroaner

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Labour has retained Newport West with Remain candidate Ruth Jones. Newport voted overwhelmingly to Leave the EU in 2016. We were told that Labour would be destroyed at the ballot box in its heartlands if it shifted on Brexit. Here's an openly Remain candidate winning the seat.
 

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I personally think the Conservatives will be very badly damaged by the whole fiasco. Don't think they will disappear altogether, but will become a much smaller entity. I think Labour will suffer likewise. Already been shown in Bye election with both major parties losing ground to UKIP who tripled their vote. I think the result of this will be a swing to more right wing parties such as UKIP. Can't see the country swinging to the left
If your prediction comes true, I wouldn't see Scotland swinging to the right, so it could well be that the UK's days would be numbered.
 

OxygenJames

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LBC's James O'Brien:

"We were told for several years that the European Union is an institution over which we exercise next to no influence whatsoever. We are forced to kowtow to whatever directives come from Brussels. We have no power to stop things we don't like.

But you can't do that unless you have the power in the first place."
Evidence if ever you needed it that James OB is a total d**k.
 

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Enjoy!
Best 11 minutes you'll spend tonight, Germany is on to the greatest fraud in British political history, it's all in here, Leave's lies, illegal spending, dubious companies, Banks' dodgy diamond mines, Farage; even a cameo by @shahmiruk Full version here: https://www.zdf.de/politik/frontal-21/drahtzieher-des-brexits-english-version-100.html …








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11:38 AM - 4 Apr 2019
Perhaps we might part company on that one... Methinks the greatest fraud in British Political History was the Coup d etate in 1688, which sold a princeling from the Netherlands as the King of England.
 
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OxygenJames

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UKIP are a one trick pony, and it fell at the first hurdle. They have nothing going for them as a major party, just a protest vote really.
After brexit goes belly up right wing parties will be forgotten and discredited.
If they (meaning the f******g government) don't actually deliver Brexit we are going to see either:

1) The rise of a genuine far-right political party (like they have in Europe that we currently don't have here)

or

2) A new 'centrist' 'Brexit' party - that will take votes from everybody.
 

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