Brexit, for once some facts.

[OxygenJames]

Labour has retained Newport West with Remain candidate Ruth Jones. Newport voted overwhelmingly to Leave the EU in 2016. We were told that Labour would be destroyed at the ballot box in its heartlands if it shifted on Brexit. Here's an openly Remain candidate winning the seat.

Amazing. The Tory's doing as diabolical as they are - and the swing is TO THEM and AWAY from Labour. Quite amazing.

 

[OxygenJames]

I personally think the Conservatives will be very badly damaged by the whole fiasco. Don't think they will disappear altogether, but will become a much smaller entity. I think Labour will suffer likewise. Already been shown in Bye election with both major parties losing ground to UKIP who tripled their vote. I think the result of this will be a swing to more right wing parties such as UKIP. Can't see the country swinging to the left

It WILL swing left - and the reason will be something nobody talks about these days since Brexit took over the entire political arena - which is - housing. People need to be able to buy their own homes - this is the ticking time bomb the Tory's are ignoring and will suffer for way more than Brexit.

 

[OxygenJames]

You are the one who should be careful what you wish for

I wish for peace on earth!

 

[oldgroaner]

And 17.4m of the rest of us.

I wouldn't be too sure about that if I was you, you would be lucky to retain 15m

 

[Danidl]

It WILL swing left - and the reason will be something nobody talks about these days since Brexit took over the entire political arena - which is - housing. People need to be able to buy their own homes - this is the ticking time bomb the Tory's are ignoring and will suffer for way more than Brexit.

OJ, I agree with you that housing and the right to close your own hall door are extremely important to people

 

[OxygenJames]

Would that not be a win win win situation. ? The Parliament will have demonstrated that it is actually supreme. The brexiteers and fellow travellers cannot claim they were ignored by Parliament,it has been a convoluted time consuming excercise over months ,so ignored they were not. The EU and probably half,if not more of the UK population will sigh relief.

Yeah the only thing she hasn't tried is implementing what we voted for.

 

[OxygenJames]

I wouldn't be too sure about that if I was you, you would be lucky to retain 15m

I'm with Cummings on this - if there was another vote we'd get a BIGGER majority.

 

[50Hertz]

UKIP are a one trick pony, and it fell at the first hurdle.
They have nothing going for them as a major party, just a protest vote really.
After brexit goes belly up right wing parties will be forgotten and discredited.

Brexit has turned into an ocean going turd. Not even a good buffing with my special polish can make it look or seem any better.

 

[OxygenJames]

OJ, I agree with you that housing and the right to close your own hall door are extremely important to people

I grew up expecting to be able to buy my own home. And I knew if I was even slightly sensible it could be done. Now look at the situation - unless you live in Hartlepool or Hull (perhaps) - what chance do you stand?

 

[OxygenJames]

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No deal still highly likely.

Not with this bunch of monkeys in charge.

 

[OxygenJames]

Finally the remainers in the HOC and the Lords seem to have the confidence to work towards either Revoke Art50 or a second referendum,either way it will end in remain. The Redwoods/Rees-Moggs,Marc Francois,IDS have missed their opportunity,lets hope they resign and go back to their country pile and dream what might have been,brexit is dead and it all started by one vote majority,hehe.
KudosDave

You can but dream.

 

[OxygenJames]

Brexit has turned into an ocean going turd. Not even a good buffing with my special polish can make it look or seem any better.

Oh ye of little faith.

 

[OxygenJames]

If they (meaning the f******g government) don't actually deliver Brexit we are going to see either:

1) The rise of a genuine far-right political party (like they have in Europe that we currently don't have here)

or

2) A new 'centrist' 'Brexit' party - that will take votes from everybody.

Oops. There's already a 'new' centrist Brexit party - Farage already did that.

 

[OxygenJames]

The times they are a changin'.

 

[Woosh]

The times they are a changin'.

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if you look at the swing, the 2.6% swing from Labour to Conservatives in Newport West is only notional.
Conservatives down 8%, Labour down 12.7%, Ukip up 6.1%, the rest (12.7 + 8) - 6.1 = 14.6% went to the remainer camp (LibDems, Cymru, Greens).
That's the real swing. If translated to national votes, you'll have a hung parliament with the anti-brexit camp much stronger than in 2017 and another coalition government.
Brexit can't survive without a conservative government.

 

[50Hertz]

Oh ye of little faith.

I have faith in our saviour, The Lord Jesus Christ and you too can find salvation through him.

 

[oldgroaner]

Evidence if ever you needed it that James OB is a total d**k.

For telling people the truth? that is really not playing the game is it?

 

[oldgroaner]

Perhaps we might part company on that one... Methinks the greatest fraud in British Political History was the Coup d etate in 1688, which sold a princeling from the Netherlands as the King of England.

that didn't ruin life for the rank and file though, did it?
You could make similar cases for both William the bastards claim to the throne and also Henry Tudor, and the House of Windsor too!

 

[oldgroaner]

I have faith in our saviour, The Lord Jesus Christ and you too can find salvation through him.

Sorry I have no time for Gods in any shape or form.

 

[oldgroaner]

If they (meaning the f******g government) don't actually deliver Brexit we are going to see either:

1) The rise of a genuine far-right political party (like they have in Europe that we currently don't have here)

or

2) A new 'centrist' 'Brexit' party - that will take votes from everybody.

Still thinking Brexit is popular?
Why? when there is so obviously nothing to be gained by the person in the street in the space of even a lifetime.
You live in a fantasy