Brexit, for once some facts.

[wheeler]

Are you sure about that? I heard that there's an alien base on the back of the moon and that NASA has been working with them since the '60s, when the moon landings were faked. It was much easier for the aliens to put the mirror there than send a spaceship from Earth.

One thing is absolutely certain. The footage that they showed of astronauts dancing about on the moon was definitely faked for whatever reason. Footprints in the dust underneath the lander after its retro rockets blasted the surface with a force strong enough to support the weight of the module and its crew? There would be not a grain of dust or sand for 50 ft around the module, and there would be a massive scorch mark underneath it. Also, some of the dust would have settled all over the module in the time after landing, but it was absolutely pristine.

Unfortunately your various "facts" regarding the moon landings prove nothing, except that there is one born every minute.

I wonder if you are a member of the Flat Earth Society which, according to its website, is a global organisation.

 

[oldgroaner]

Look in the mirror! Isn't that what you're trying to do?

No

Are you sure about that? I heard that there's an alien base on the back of the moon and that NASA has been working with them since the '60s, when the moon landings were faked. It was much easier for the aliens to put the mirror there than send a spaceship from Earth.

One thing is absolutely certain. The footage that they showed of astronauts dancing about on the moon was definitely faked for whatever reason. Footprints in the dust underneath the lander after its retro rockets blasted the surface with a force strong enough to support the weight of the module and its crew? There would be not a grain of dust or sand for 50 ft around the module, and there would be a massive scorch mark underneath it. Also, some of the dust would have settled all over the module in the time after landing, but it was absolutely pristine.

Highly amusing enjoy this link
https://www.nationalgeographic.com.au/space/the-moon-landing-was-not-a-hoax.aspx
And where are your links to a picture of the landing model in such detail you can see dust?
one thing is absolutely certain, the moon landings were not fake.

 

[gray198]

Was at times is the case for me too. As I've posted previously in this forum, I've voted Tory many more times than I've voted Labour, so no Labour bias over time.

I currently favour Labour for more than one reason, but chiefly because we've had far too many years of Tory rule, both official and Blair's pseudo tory version. In our first past the post system that lack of balance is unhealthy and that is showing only too clearly now.
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I think you may get your wish of a labour government. TM has totally destroyed the Conservative party and unless there is a big change they could be cast into the wilderness for a long time. Of course Labour have got their own problems so it may not be clearcut. If there is another GE we may end up with a 3way split con/lab/brexit party. That would be interesting. I think one thing the Brexit saga has done is to show us that our system is not fit for purpose and if we can't trust our MP's to be honorable then we need a big rethink. I personally have never felt so disgusted with the state we are in

 

[oldgroaner]

Look in the mirror! Isn't that what you're trying to do?

Do you actually know the difference between propaganda , which is the spreading of deliberate lies, and telling the truth to guide people not to be taken in by those lies?
Or is there no difference between truth and lies to you?
You do seem very susceptible to some outrageous conspiracy theories.

 

[oldgroaner]

I think you may get your wish of a labour government. TM has totally destroyed the Conservative party and unless there is a big change they could be cast into the wilderness for a long time. Of course Labour have got their own problems so it may not be clearcut. If there is another GE we may end up with a 3way split con/lab/brexit party. That would be interesting. I think one thing the Brexit saga has done is to show us that our system is not fit for purpose and if we can't trust our MP's to be honorable then we need a big rethink. I personally have never felt so disgusted with the state we are in

I can't disagree on that last point!

 

[oyster]

there would be a massive scorch mark underneath it

Without having been to the moon, you seem utterly confident that the moon dust would scorch? What is the composition of moon dust? At what temperature would it scorch? Do we now know whether or not it would scorch?

And if you are sure that it would scorch, how odd for a fake version not to show that scorching.

 

[oldgroaner]

The problem is that the far left are now the far right. They shut down free speech and use violence against anybody that has a different opinion to them.

I have news for you they always were.
The Nazi party managed to be the most extreme Fascist right wing party ever and called themselves National Socialists.
That is why we must resist them rising again using Brexit to mainstream their madness.

 

[50Hertz]

Are you sure about that? I heard that there's an alien base on the back of the moon and that NASA has been working with them since the '60s, when the moon landings were faked. It was much easier for the aliens to put the mirror there than send a spaceship from Earth.

One thing is absolutely certain. The footage that they showed of astronauts dancing about on the moon was definitely faked for whatever reason. Footprints in the dust underneath the lander after its retro rockets blasted the surface with a force strong enough to support the weight of the module and its crew? There would be not a grain of dust or sand for 50 ft around the module, and there would be a massive scorch mark underneath it. Also, some of the dust would have settled all over the module in the time after landing, but it was absolutely pristine.

The thrusters which controlled the rate of decent onto the surface were surprisingly feeble, in terms of Newtons thrust. The module was very flimsy and of low mass, this coupled with weak gravity is the reason why only a small amount of dust was disturbed during touch down.

There is no doubt that the lunar landings took place. There were too many people involved for a faked mission to have been kept a secret.

It still leaves me awestruck when I think of the complexity, danger and engineering challenges of the whole Gemini & Apollo programme. I doubt we will ever see such an exciting time again.

 

[50Hertz]

Without having been to the moon, you seem utterly confident that the moon dust would scorch? What is the composition of moon dust? At what temperature would it scorch? Do we now know whether or not it would scorch?

And if you are sure that it would scorch, how odd for a fake version not to show that scorching.

For scorching to have taken place, some for of oxidisation would need to happen. Oxidisation is unlikely in a vacuum.

I’m not even sure whether the decent motors relied on any form of combustion. More likely momentum change / acceleration of gasses without combustion. I could be wrong about that though if anyone can correct me.

 

[oldgroaner]

The thrusters which controlled the rate of decent onto the surface were surprisingly feeble, in terms of Newtons thrust. The module was very flimsy and of low mass, this coupled with weak gravity is the reason why only a small amount of dust was disturbed during touch down.

There is no doubt that the lunar landings took place. There were too many people involved for a faked mission to have been kept a secret.

It still leaves me awestruck when I think of the complexity, danger and engineering challenges of the whole Gemini & Apollo programme. I doubt we will ever see such an exciting time again.

This link details the Bell engines used in the lunar landers, ingenious use of Helium to pressurise the Hypergolic fuel and oxidiser
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascent_propulsion_system
A brave choice of a rather dodgy superlight fuel system!Hence this comment
"According to the Science Channel's documentary Moon Machines, the fuel and oxidizer were so corrosive that the engines had to be rebuilt after each firing. This meant that each ascent from the Moon was performed with an engine that had not been test-fired prior to flight. "
Reminds me of the WW2 ME163 Rocket fighter with "T" stoff and "S" stoff fuel and oxidiser that was so volatile that any left in the tanks was liable to explode on a rough landing and so corrosive that the pilot wore a rubber suit to avoid being dissolved if there was a fuel leak!

 

[Nev]

There is no doubt that the lunar landings took place. There were too many people involved for a faked mission to have been kept a secret.

I agree, but not only that, if the missions had been faked the Russians would have taken great delight in exposing the fake. They were in competition with the USA at the time.

I suspect vfr400 might be just teasing us a little on the Brexit thread. He strikes me as quite a bright fellow from my reading of his posts on other threads. That is not the typical MO of someone that believes in all these conspires theories and some of the other unusual posts he has written on this thread. I think he is just having a bit of fun with us all.

 

[RossG]

Interesting...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-party_evidence_for_Apollo_Moon_landings

 

[oldgroaner]

I agree, but not only that, if the missions had been faked the Russians would have taken great delight in exposing the fake. They were in competition with the USA at the time.

I suspect vfr400 might be just teasing us a little on the Brexit thread. He strikes me as quite a bright fellow from my reading of his posts on other threads. That is not the typical MO of someone that believes in all these conspires theories and some of the other unusual posts he has written on this thread. I think he is just having a bit of fun with us all.

I think you have "Bubbled" him there's always a need for comedy on here. it fill the news gap when parliament have wandered off with their bucket and spades to the seaside

 

[vfr400]

Lets see during the landing phase the retrorockets would have blown the dust up ,and indeed did, blnding the astronaut actually doing the manoeuvre,so he lands. Then what happens to the dust?. .. Ho i! t blows away suspended by the air ..just like earth.. except it does not ,because there is no air, no Brownian motion, no nothing except the acceleration due to gravity,,,so it rapidly falls down!.

Except that when the blast hits the ground it has to turn through 90 deg and blow the dust in a radial direction away from the lander, not up in the air. Jeez, I can't believe that 5 people can't even understand basic physics.

Also if it came back down dust would be on the lander., but there was none!

Footprints next to it! Explain how does that work then?

 

[vfr400]

No

Highly amusing enjoy this link
https://www.nationalgeographic.com.au/space/the-moon-landing-was-not-a-hoax.aspx
And where are your links to a picture of the landing model in such detail you can see dust?
one thing is absolutely certain, the moon landings were not fake.

I said that the pictures we were shown were fake.

 

[vfr400]

For scorching to have taken place, some for of oxidisation would need to happen. Oxidisation is unlikely in a vacuum.

I’m not even sure whether the decent motors relied on any form of combustion. More likely momentum change / acceleration of gasses without combustion. I could be wrong about that though if anyone can correct me.

Here is a video of the module supposedly taking off. Let's assume it's true. Look at the size of the blast and the sparks. That blast is only half what the landing blast needs. The module weighed 17 tons. 1/6 th gravity on the moon, so there needs to be three tons of thrust. Have you any idea what that looks like? Isn't there oxygen in the fuel? There is no vacuum under the module otherwise the blast couldn't accelerate or decelerate the module. That's basic physics.

 

[Zlatan]

https://bestlifeonline.com/true-conspiracy-theories/
???

 

[Zlatan]

Here is a video of the module supposedly taking off. Let's assume it's true. Look at the size of the blast and the sparks. That blast is only half what the landing blast needs. The module weighed 17 tons. 1/6 th gravity on the moon, so there needs to be three tons of thrust. Have you any idea what that looks like? Isn't there oxygen in the fuel? There is no vacuum under the module otherwise the blast couldn't accelerate or decelerate the module. That's basic physics.

Rockets do work in vacuum VFR... Its momentum exchange, throwing out stuff behind pushes you forward, you dont have to press against anything, but there does seem to be evidence for and against moon landings.
Seem to remember reading about Van Halen belt and how it would kill any who ventured through it but perhaps that was the hoax or read it on 1st of the 4th...
Doesnt hurt to question everything...

 

[vfr400]

I have news for you they always were.
The Nazi party managed to be the most extreme Fascist right wing party ever and called themselves National Socialists.
That is why we must resist them rising again using Brexit to mainstream their madness.

The closest we have to Nazis in this country today is Antifa.

 

[Zlatan]

https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/09/05/were-nazis-socialists/

Interesting article debunking myth that Hitler was a socialist. They were in name only. They were extreme totaliterian, but IMO not right either. (in both senses of word)
Hitler attacked Russia for political ideology differences. His view of politics was opposed to Communism.
Hitler used Socialism as his route to power.