Brexit, for once some facts.

oyster

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Charts Gove would say, who needs 'em



If ever a country needed to change it's government,
We are that country
Now is that time
Figures. Charts. Statistics. Analysis.

No. Being a FIGHTER is what counts! (Does someone think that Johnson is some sort of latterday Spitfire or Hurricane?)

Interesting, and unpleasant, reading:

UK will have Europe's worst coronavirus death toll, study predicts

IHME analysis is disputed by scientists whose modelling is relied on by UK government
World-leading disease data analysts have projected that the UK will become the country worst hit by the coronavirus pandemic in Europe, accounting for more than 40% of total deaths across the continent.


The Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation (IHME) in Seattle predicts 66,000 UK deaths from Covid-19 by August, with a peak of nearly 3,000 a day, based on a steep climb in daily deaths early in the outbreak.


The analysts also claim discussions over “herd immunity” led to a delay in the UK introducing physical distancing measures, which were brought in from 23 March in England when the coronavirus death toll stood at 54. Portugal, by comparison, had just one confirmed death when distancing measures were imposed.


The newly released data is disputed by scientists whose modelling of the likely shape of the UK epidemic is relied on by the government. Prof Neil Ferguson, of Imperial College, said the IHME figures on “healthcare demand” – including hospital bed use and deaths – were twice as high as they should be.


More to read at:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/07/uk-will-be-europes-worst-hit-by-coronavirus-study-predicts

I'm not here to pick winners of such arguments. Just as an ordinary human being deeply concerned about where we are.
 

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Figures. Charts. Statistics. Analysis.

No. Being a FIGHTER is what counts! (Does someone think that Johnson is some sort of latterday Spitfire or Hurricane?)

Interesting, and unpleasant, reading:

UK will have Europe's worst coronavirus death toll, study predicts

IHME analysis is disputed by scientists whose modelling is relied on by UK government
World-leading disease data analysts have projected that the UK will become the country worst hit by the coronavirus pandemic in Europe, accounting for more than 40% of total deaths across the continent.


The Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation (IHME) in Seattle predicts 66,000 UK deaths from Covid-19 by August, with a peak of nearly 3,000 a day, based on a steep climb in daily deaths early in the outbreak.


The analysts also claim discussions over “herd immunity” led to a delay in the UK introducing physical distancing measures, which were brought in from 23 March in England when the coronavirus death toll stood at 54. Portugal, by comparison, had just one confirmed death when distancing measures were imposed.


The newly released data is disputed by scientists whose modelling of the likely shape of the UK epidemic is relied on by the government. Prof Neil Ferguson, of Imperial College, said the IHME figures on “healthcare demand” – including hospital bed use and deaths – were twice as high as they should be.


More to read at:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/07/uk-will-be-europes-worst-hit-by-coronavirus-study-predicts

I'm not here to pick winners of such arguments. Just as an ordinary human being deeply concerned about where we are.
And still in the right wing press every effort is being made to present our situation as if we are somehow more than holding our own, due to the "heroic" efforts of the Government, who in more rational times should by now be facing trial for criminal negligence in carrying out their duty to protect the public.
When reading the Readers comments in these rags it is hard not to assume that most of their readership could not beat the average gnat in a test of intelligence.
 
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Well if this lockdown is showing people anything, let’s hope that it’s you don’t need pubs, shops selling tat and constant pressure to consume on credit. I’m actually enjoying the tranquility. No planes flying over or background hum of traffic etc. It’s very relaxing. The best things in life are generally free or low cost.
 

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Well if this lockdown is showing people anything, let’s hope that it’s you don’t need pubs, shops selling tat and constant pressure to consume on credit. I’m actually enjoying the tranquility. No planes flying over or background hum of traffic etc. It’s very relaxing. The best things in life are generally free or low cost.
Have to say, I agree so much. The low levels of traffic (air, road, rail) are very much appreciated - despite being in an area that could only be regarded as tranquil compared to London area.

If only we could wander around more freely - within, say, twenty miles. And paddle on the beach.
 

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Ok ya`ll lets get back on topic, you remember the thread is/was about Brexit?

Seems more bad news for the remoaners,.....

..there's Trouble in Paradise :D Quote "the bloc could fall apart"
thankfully got out just in time, we`ve dodged a bullet for sure!

The coronavirus pandemic has exposed deep divides in Europe, with EU member states arguing over how to tackle the economic fallout.

Italy and Spain have accused northern nations - led by Germany and the Netherlands - of not doing enough. Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sánchez has even warned that if the EU fails to come up with an ambitious plan to help member states saddled with debt by the fight against coronavirus, the bloc could "fall apart".


EU Council and Commission chiefs released a statement on Monday that said a "strong package is in the making". Eurozone finance ministers are holding a teleconference on Tuesday night.

But a similar meeting two weeks ago bore little fruit. As a result, leaders sent their finance ministers back to the drawing board.

Italy, Spain, France and some other EU states want to share out coronavirus-incurred debt in the form of "coronabonds" (or eurobonds) - mutualised debt that all EU nations help pay off.

Some from these hard-hit nations have been angered by a perceived indifference from other EU states.

Wealthier countries like Germany are not yet digging deeper into their pockets to help out poorer nations like Italy and Spain.
 
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Ok ya`ll lets get back on topic, you remember the thread is/was about Brexit?

Seems more bad news for the remoaners,.....

..there's Trouble in Paradise :D Quote "the bloc could fall apart"
thankfully got out just in time, we`ve dodged a bullet for sure!

The coronavirus pandemic has exposed deep divides in Europe, with EU member states arguing over how to tackle the economic fallout.

Italy and Spain have accused northern nations - led by Germany and the Netherlands - of not doing enough. Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sánchez has even warned that if the EU fails to come up with an ambitious plan to help member states saddled with debt by the fight against coronavirus, the bloc could "fall apart".

EU Council and Commission chiefs released a statement on Monday that said a "strong package is in the making". Eurozone finance ministers are holding a teleconference on Tuesday night.

But a similar meeting two weeks ago bore little fruit. As a result, leaders sent their finance ministers back to the drawing board.

Italy, Spain, France and some other EU states want to share out coronavirus-incurred debt in the form of "coronabonds" (or eurobonds) - mutualised debt that all EU nations help pay off.

Some from these hard-hit nations have been angered by a perceived indifference from other EU states.

Wealthier countries like Germany are not yet digging deeper into their pockets to help out poorer nations like Italy and Spain.
Except of course there is now no safety net for the UK. The EU will work out a solution. The entire economic world order has been shaken by this pandemic. Entire industries and sectors will simply collapse. I am thinking of Insurance in particular. .LLoyds for example has a number of names who are ultimately liable for risks . When travel companies, hotel chains and car manufacturers crystallise debts, who is on the recieving end?.
 

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Ok ya`ll lets get back on topic, you remember the thread is/was about Brexit?

Seems more bad news for the remoaners,.....

..there's Trouble in Paradise :D Quote "the bloc could fall apart"
thankfully got out just in time, we`ve dodged a bullet for sure!

The coronavirus pandemic has exposed deep divides in Europe, with EU member states arguing over how to tackle the economic fallout.

Italy and Spain have accused northern nations - led by Germany and the Netherlands - of not doing enough. Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sánchez has even warned that if the EU fails to come up with an ambitious plan to help member states saddled with debt by the fight against coronavirus, the bloc could "fall apart".

EU Council and Commission chiefs released a statement on Monday that said a "strong package is in the making". Eurozone finance ministers are holding a teleconference on Tuesday night.

But a similar meeting two weeks ago bore little fruit. As a result, leaders sent their finance ministers back to the drawing board.

Italy, Spain, France and some other EU states want to share out coronavirus-incurred debt in the form of "coronabonds" (or eurobonds) - mutualised debt that all EU nations help pay off.

Some from these hard-hit nations have been angered by a perceived indifference from other EU states.

Wealthier countries like Germany are not yet digging deeper into their pockets to help out poorer nations like Italy and Spain.
For goodness sake, will you never understand how the EU works and what it can and cannot do?
This sort of stupidity simply makes you look a bigger fool than ever

Member states are Sovereign
The EU doesn't control what they do
The fact that it is not a super state is what allows nations to bicker

And for our information we have left, scoring points against an organisation we no longer belong to is stupid
Concentrate on the problem we face without gloating about what others do that you neither understand or approve of

Now please go away and play there's a good boy
 
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Mrs Gove will be miffed

In the Telegraph
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Rishi Sunak named successor number two amid claims that Michael Gove was 'deliberately' overlooked
The Chancellor will deputise for the Prime Minister if Dominic Raab falls ill, despite earlier suggestions Mr Gove would be next in line

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Ok ya`ll lets get back on topic, you remember the thread is/was about Brexit?

Seems more bad news for the remoaners,.....

..there's Trouble in Paradise :D Quote "the bloc could fall apart"
thankfully got out just in time, we`ve dodged a bullet for sure!

The coronavirus pandemic has exposed deep divides in Europe, with EU member states arguing over how to tackle the economic fallout.

Italy and Spain have accused northern nations - led by Germany and the Netherlands - of not doing enough. Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sánchez has even warned that if the EU fails to come up with an ambitious plan to help member states saddled with debt by the fight against coronavirus, the bloc could "fall apart".

EU Council and Commission chiefs released a statement on Monday that said a "strong package is in the making". Eurozone finance ministers are holding a teleconference on Tuesday night.

But a similar meeting two weeks ago bore little fruit. As a result, leaders sent their finance ministers back to the drawing board.

Italy, Spain, France and some other EU states want to share out coronavirus-incurred debt in the form of "coronabonds" (or eurobonds) - mutualised debt that all EU nations help pay off.

Some from these hard-hit nations have been angered by a perceived indifference from other EU states.

Wealthier countries like Germany are not yet digging deeper into their pockets to help out poorer nations like Italy and Spain.
Yet the UK is managing to claim EU funds for repatriation flights for UK citizens (subjects) stuck around the world. Despite the UK sort-of no longer even being a member state.

Which would appear to be more, and more concrete, than what the UK is doing for the EU or its constituent member states.
 
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oyster

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Mrs Gove will be miffed

In the Telegraph
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Rishi Sunak named successor number two amid claims that Michael Gove was 'deliberately' overlooked
The Chancellor will deputise for the Prime Minister if Dominic Raab falls ill, despite earlier suggestions Mr Gove would be next in line

:cool:
That it was reported in the Telegraph rather than her rag? :)
 
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Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab continues to deputise for Boris Johnson, who spent his second night in intensive care last night.
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asks: Who would you trust to make a big decision in the PM's absence?

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Larry the Cat
 
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Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab continues to deputise for Boris Johnson, who spent his second night in intensive care last night.
@NickFerrariLBC
asks: Who would you trust to make a big decision in the PM's absence?

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Big decisions. Hmmm. Whiskas or Purina? Catch a mouse or sleep? Run madly or stop and wash? Friendly or rejecting all humans?

I did write that Johnson should have properly handed over, albeit temporarily, rather than leaving this rather messy situation.
 
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I seem to remember some people ardently proclaiming that the UK could be a wet, North Sea version of Singapore.

The phrase “Singapore-on-Thames” is shorthand for Britain becoming a low-tax, lightly regulated economy that can out-compete the sclerotic, over-regulated eurozone from a strategic position only 20 miles or so offshore. The general idea was first mooted a couple of years ago by Philip Hammond, then Britain’s chancellor of the exchequer, as a means of encouraging the EU to strike a friendly Brexit deal with the UK.


What a spiffing idea!

Singapore has announced new plans to boost food production, including by turning car park rooftops into urban farms, as the Covid-19 pandemic disrupts global supply chains.

The city-state only produces around 10% of its food needs, but restrictions on population movement are wreaking havoc on farming and food supply chains – raising concern of shortages and price increases.

“The current COVID-19 situation underscores the importance of local food production, as part of Singapore’s strategies to ensure food security,” authorities said in a statement.
 

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A former government advisor believes that the lack of powers that Dominic Raab has will bring problems down the line if the PM is out of action for a long time.

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Considering the diabolically bad decisions made so far by this government it may end up saving lives
 
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