Brexit, for once some facts.

[Zlatan]

China has already overtaken the USA in 2018, thanks to Donald Trump and the Chinese government knows it.
Trump's 'America first' policy actually helps China exports and drives FDDI to China.
Last year, China received more FDDI than any other country.

Chinese economy to overtake US 'by 2028' due to Covid

A UK-based think tank says the pandemic has caused economic momentum to shift further in favour of Asia.

www.bbc.com

Suppose it depends how it is measured.
Either way Trump and or Covid have brought it forward.

UK has vaccinated 6.3 million. Both data streams say that OG???
(roughly 14% of targeted population, 20 million or so will not be receiving jab, Pfizer went down to 12 Yr olds in trials but others didn't go below 18)
I believe no under 18s and people with immune issues will be vaccinated. (trials are going on for children's vaccine)
I did read Antibody preventive jabs were being used for folk with depressed immune systems.?? (tried it as cure, didn't work, but in trials it prevented infection(or illness??) Its on Google..)

 

[Woosh]

Suppose it depends how it is measured.

yes, you are correct. Some rankings do not take the cost of living into account, you can buy a lot more with $25,000 a year in China than in the USA.
BTW, I track Covid here:

UKHSA data dashboard

Overall summary of the respiratory viruses in circulation within the UK

coronavirus.data.gov.uk

491,970 people got vaccinated last Saturday 23rd.

 

[oyster]

Not convinced this is a sensible, helpful or otherwise positive approach but the emotional aspect is understandable:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1353429639356624897

 

[Jesus H Christ]

Actual results here
https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-vaccinations/

Where does the figure of 500,000 people per day come from?

ONS

 

[oyster]

Nearly 500,000 vaccinations were administered on Saturday. Whatever your thoughts on the Tory Party, the unevenness of the rollout or the single dose strategy, to be injecting half a million people per day is an achievement worthy of praise. This number is set to rise, so the wait for the second vaccination may be shorter than anticipated.

Curious how silly questions can enter my head.

Of those delivering vaccines (develop, manufacture, distribute, arrange, inject), how many did or would vote tory?

 

[Zlatan]

Curious how silly questions can enter my head.

Of those delivering vaccines (develop, manufacture, distribute, arrange, inject), how many did or would vote tory?

Most. Its why they are in power.
But lots claim to be labour until they put cross on paper..

 

[oyster]

Most. Its why they are in power.

Do you have any breakdown of voting across, for example, NHS staff?

 

[oldgroaner]

Chinese economy to overtake US 'by 2028' due to Covid

A UK-based think tank says the pandemic has caused economic momentum to shift further in favour of Asia.

www.bbc.com

Suppose it depends how it is measured.
Either way Trump and or Covid have brought it forward.

UK has vaccinated 6.3 million. Both data streams say that OG???
(roughly 14% of targeted population, 20 million or so will not be receiving jab, Pfizer went down to 12 Yr olds in trials but others didn't go below 18)
I believe no under 18s and people with immune issues will be vaccinated. (trials are going on for children's vaccine)
I did read Antibody preventive jabs were being used for folk with depressed immune systems.?? (tried it as cure, didn't work, but in trials it prevented infection(or illness??) Its on Google..)

Remember that these are the figures from NIMMS database
Cumulative total is actually 3,981,445 8th Dec to 17th Jan
So where did UK has vaccinated 6.3 million. come from?
Comprising 3,537,847 first dose
433598 second dose

I don't doubt everyone is doing the best they can, but some of the figures just don't add up, and frankly the one that really matters is the second dose

 

[flecc]

UK has vaccinated 6.3 million.

That's 1.1 million more than needed to include the whole top priority group including ALL the over 80s. Yet their vaccination coverage is as low as 15% in one region and ony 50% in the capital city of London.

Far from being a success, by chucking vaccinations out randomly just to be able to say we've injected more people than most, the Covid vaccination program is yet another great British failure.

So now by misusing the vaccine in that way we're running out of vaccine and the most vulnerable are being left exposed for week after week while the new variant is running riot in their areas. At least that will help to maintain our other record number, that of deaths.
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[oyster]

I don't doubt everyone is doing the best they can, but some of the figures just don't add up, and frankly the one that really matters is the second dose

Are all second doses equal, though?

Although we are not getting to the 12 week gap yet, many must be waiting more than 21 days for their second dose. If the gap matters as much as some fear, simply having had a second dose might not provide the additional cover that Pfizer/BioNTech claim. (Or it might!)

 

[oldgroaner]

yes, you are correct. Some rankings do not take the cost of living into account, you can buy a lot more with $25,000 a year in China than in the USA.
BTW, I track Covid here:

UKHSA data dashboard

Overall summary of the respiratory viruses in circulation within the UK

coronavirus.data.gov.uk

491,970 people got vaccinated last Saturday 23rd.

Actually what it reports is this
People vaccinated up to and including 23 January 2021
466,960
Or am I missing something?

 

[flecc]

Actually what it reports is this
People vaccinated up to and including 23 January 2021
466,960
Or am I missing something?

Yes, they are lying so often they can't remember what they said last.
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[Zlatan]

Some sites update hourly.
A couple of sites have a rolling count going up with rate of daily vaccines.
Its over figure shown above.

 

[oldgroaner]

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All true believers will believe
Has Patel been put in charge of the figures?
It rather looks like the numbers of daily tests figures all over again
Curious coincidence with the number of police records she managed to lose

 

[Zlatan]

How many people in the UK have had their booster jab? | ITV News

Updated daily, check the latest data on how the booster programme is progressing as the government aims to give all adults a booster this winter. | ITV National News

www.itv.com

Most sites (including NHS and. Gov are not updated daily.) With a vaccine rate of 400k plus a day if they are not updated daily or written that day of course they will show lower figures)
The linked site updates throughout the day, or it was doing.(this one was updated yesterday tea time)

But I suppose anybody saying anything positive is part of the grand conspiracy.
So yes, perhaps ITV lying..

 

[oyster]

How many people in the UK have had their booster jab? | ITV News

Updated daily, check the latest data on how the booster programme is progressing as the government aims to give all adults a booster this winter. | ITV National News

www.itv.com

Most sites (including NHS and. Gov are not updated daily.) With a vaccine rate of 400k plus a day if they are not updated daily or written that day of course they will show lower figures)
The linked site updates throughout the day, or it was doing.(this one was updated yesterday tea time)

But I suppose anybody saying anything positive is part of the grand conspiracy.
So yes, perhaps ITV lying..

The UK figures are, I suspect, likely to be distorted by different approaches. In England (it appears), they have done everything they can to publish a "live" headline figure. Whilst not fully verified, it is obviously going to report the biggest number possible. It is subject to revision (up or down). (You might, of course, ask why this approach has been chosen.)

The Wales approach is to publish only verified figures. They should never go down but they will take some time, possibly several days, to get added to the cumulative total for Wales.

I do no know about Scotland and Northern Ireland.

 

[flecc]

How many people in the UK have had their booster jab? | ITV News

Updated daily, check the latest data on how the booster programme is progressing as the government aims to give all adults a booster this winter. | ITV National News

www.itv.com

Most sites (including NHS and. Gov are not updated daily.) With a vaccine rate of 400k plus a day if they are not updated daily or written that day of course they will show lower figures)
The linked site updates throughout the day, or it was doing.(this one was updated yesterday tea time)

But I suppose anybody saying anything positive is part of the grand conspiracy.
So yes, perhaps ITV lying..

No grand conspiracy and many of the lies/untruths are the accidental result of them not having full control of this large and complex issue. Just as it's been since the first big outbreak, they are in a panic and not really sure what to try next, so they end up rushing, making a mess and with constant changes of mind on policy.

So they should just slow down, think, forget about record numbers and being the best and just proceed with caution and a sensible stable policy which everyone can understand.
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[Woosh]

So they should just slow down, think, forget about record numbers and being the best and just proceed with caution and a sensible stable policy which everyone can understand.

On the current trajectory, the rate is about 3 million jabs a week. From now to the end of March, they should have given another 24-28 million jabs.
I think they can carry on on the present regimen for 3 more weeks, giving the first jab for another 10 millions then concentrate on giving the second jab.
16 millions of the most vulnerable of us would then be fully protected by end of March.

 

[flecc]

16 millions of the most vulnerable of us would then be fully protected by end of March.

Not on present policy which is giving as many second jabs as first ones, with both to lower priority groups, while bypassing even first jabs for huge numbers of the highest priority group.

Of course the latter will be a rapidly reducing number with many of them dying during the two months to the end of March, probably making up the bulk of the deaths in that period.
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[Woosh]

I think the government have only got 1 million doses of the Pfizer vaccine and have pretty much use that stock up on the first 450,000 of us.
All the current jabs are the AZ vaccines, so they can do both jabs on 15-16 millions by the end of March.
That would tie in nicely with schools re-opened after Easter.