Charging e-bike from street charger

[camerart]

For the petition to be read in Parliament we need 100,000 signatures. That's a lot of signatures. It will be open for 6months.

So far there are 9 signature (THANKS), only 99,991 to go. The link to the petition needs to be spread around.

Please help by sending the link to friends and groups: https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/109923

 

[anotherkiwi]

Only British citizens or UK residents have the right to sign... sorry can't help

 

[camerart]

OK, thanks for looking.

(Petition link on thread #21)

 

[danielrlee]

I think UK ebike sales are estimated to be about 25,000 annually. You're dreaming if you think you're going to get 100,000 signatures within the space of 6 months. You'd be better off trying for regular BS1363 13A sockets that would be of use to a much wider range of society and easier to implement using existing infrastructure.

 

[camerart]

I think UK ebike sales are estimated to be about 25,000 annually. You're dreaming if you think you're going to get 100,000 signatures within the space of 6 months. You'd be better off trying for regular BS1363 13A sockets that would be of use to a much wider range of society and easier to implement using existing infrastructure.

The 100,000 was a surprise to me! Remember someone could sign even if they think its a good idea, but don't have a bike yet. So spread the word if you like it

You will have to read the whole thread to see we are trying not to carry our chargers.

C. (Petition link on thread #21)

 

[danielrlee]

You will have to read the whole thread to see we are trying not to carry our chargers.

Why? SMPS chargers are becoming so power dense now that they need not be heavy or cumbersome. Most charging limits are due to the battery rather than the charger anyway, so for most bikes there really is no need to be carrying a massive charger.

 

[camerart]

Why? SMPS chargers are becoming so power dense now that they need not be heavy or cumbersome. Most charging limits are due to the battery rather than the charger anyway, so for most bikes there really is no need to be carrying a massive charger.

Do you think there is no value with on street charging points then?

C (Petition link on thread #21)

 

[electrickery]

Hi,

Anyone interested in this, please sign: https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/109923

NOTHING WILL HAPPEN IF THERE AREN'T ENOUGH SIGNATURES ON THE PETITION.

C.

might be an idea to put this in a thread of its own so it can be found. have signed

 

[danielrlee]

Do you think there is no value with on street charging points then?

C (Petition link on thread #21)

What you are describing requires AC-DC conversion at each point, which wouldn't come cheap.

You're also giving the general public more credit than they're due when it comes to making the correct choices when it comes to voltage selection and charge rates. To do so safely requires control protocols to automate the task to the point of 'plug & play'. Existing control protocols of automobile DC charging topologies could possibly be utilised, but you've still got the issue of ratifying standards for an extremely small ebike market where there are a huge array of battery chemistries, connector types etc.

A widespread DC charging infrastructure might be commonplace one day, but it will be the automobile market that drives it, not ebikes.

 

[camerart]

What you are describing requires AC-DC conversion at each point, which wouldn't come cheap.

You're also giving the general public more credit than they're due when it comes to making the correct choices when it comes to voltage selection and charge rates. To do so safely requires control protocols to automate the task to the point of 'plug & play'. Existing control protocols of automobile DC charging topologies could possibly be utilised, but you've still got the issue of ratifying standards for an extremely small ebike market where there are a huge array of battery chemistries, connector types etc.

A widespread DC charging infrastructure might be commonplace one day, but it will be the automobile market that drives it, not ebikes.

Please don't imagine that I am designing it, this would be for the experts. If it arrives it will be simple. (I'm spending a long time answering your replies, but will there be a signature? It's free )

C.

 

[camerart]

might be an idea to put this in a thread of its own so it can be found. have signed

Thanks for your signature.

I think that if I start another thread, I will still have to answer questions So The link will get lost.

Forward the link to friends.

C (Petition link on thread #21)

 

[danielrlee]

Please don't imagine that I am designing it, this would be for the experts. If it arrives it will be simple. (I'm spending a long time answering your replies, but will there be a signature? It's free )

C.

I'm not trying to be awkward, but as much as I'd like to see a flexible DC charging infrastructure in place, I won't be wasting my time signing a petition that is 100% guaranteed to achieve nothing and only waste your own and anybody elses time that bothers to sign it.

Had you tried to appeal to the entire population by campaigning for regular 13A 3-pin AC public sockets, I'd be on-board.

EDIT: Having re-read my reply and noting that I am coming across as a complete asshole, I wanted to tell you that I think that ultimately it's a good idea, but you are just WAAAYYYY ahead of the curve with this one at present.

 

[acm2000]

treat your bike like you treat your penis, dont go shoving it in places youre unsure of.

Things could go horribly wrong and in the case of an ebike that equals an expensive mistake.

 

[camerart]

I'm not trying to be awkward, but as much as I'd like to see a flexible DC charging infrastructure in place, I won't be wasting my time signing a petition that is 100% guaranteed to achieve nothing and only waste your own and anybody elses time that bothers to sign it.

Had you tried to appeal to the entire population by campaigning for regular 13A 3-pin AC public sockets, I'd be on-board.

EDIT: Having re-read my reply and noting that I am coming across as a complete asshole, I wanted to tell you that I think that ultimately it's a good idea, but you are just WAAAYYYY ahead of the curve with this one at present.

I appreciate your re-think

13 Amp would indeed be handy for kettles and electric blankets for the homeless.

C.

 

[danielrlee]

I appreciate your re-think

13 Amp would indeed be handy for kettles and electric blankets for the homeless.

C.

.....and phones and laptops and tablets and ipods and any other of the multitude of gadgets nearly every one of the country's inhabitants carry around and depend on. Then I'd imagine you'd have no problem obtaining signatures.

 

[camerart]

.....and phones and laptops and tablets and ipods and any other of the multitude of gadgets nearly every one of the country's inhabitants carry around and depend on. Then I'd imagine you'd have no problem obtaining signatures.

This is not out of the question, but remember the item would need to be left in the secure box, and a payment card would be needed to open one.
C.

 

[danielrlee]

This is not out of the question, but remember the item would need to be left in the secure box, and a payment card would be needed to open one.
C.

Not necessarily. Well, in the near future anyway. Recent trends in mobile technology have bought fast charging devices that achieve a large proportion of their charge in a relatively short amount of time. I think that this will become commonplace before long.

 

[electrickery]

but as much as I'd like to see a flexible DC charging infrastructure in place, I won't be wasting my time signing a petition that is 100% guaranteed to achieve nothing and only waste your own and anybody elses time that bothers to sign it.

Yet Daniel you are prepared to waste much time on half a dozen posts arguing against the idea . If you do think its a good idea sign if for some reason you feel its a bad idea don't sign but dissing the idea for the sake of argument is really the biggest waste of time ..in my view.. so typically british apathy and why change is so slow in this rather self satisfied country of ours.
Not meant as a personal attack Dan but more a frustrated comment on society I guess

 

[danielrlee]

Yet Daniel you are prepared to waste much time on half a dozen posts arguing against the idea . If you do think its a good idea sign if for some reason you feel its a bad idea don't sign but dissing the idea for the sake of argument is really the biggest waste of time ..in my view.. so typically british apathy and why change is so slow in this rather self satisfied country of ours.
Not meant as a personal attack Dan but more a frustrated comment on society I guess

Indeed. We are both entitled to an opinion after all.

 

[flecc]

Indeed. We are both entitled to an opinion after all.

Although not posting on this until now, I'm with Daniel that this petition will fail for the reasons stated, and also because the great majority of the very small number of e-bikers would never have cause to use such a facility anyway. It's only we minority enthusiasts who sometimes ride the length of our battery range and beyond, most are utility users with journeys so short that they only charge occasionally.

But there's another aspect to this subject. The problem with an excess of petitions that are doomed to failure is that they can lead the authorities to a more dismissive attitude towards public opinion, the opposite of what petition facilities were intended to achieve.

The ideal is a small number of petitions asking for things that are entirely realistic and highly desirable to large numbers, making the authorities more likely to sit up and take more notice of public opinion.
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