Cyclamatic £319.99 for a day.

[onmebike]

Maybe?

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these are ex demo's though,but it says "more then 10"...wonder where they have been demo-ing them in such numbers,no mention of wear or tear on them....they sell a lot of other sports stuff too, tiger woods autobiography entitled.."what club you have to use to beat me"....

Maybe they sent samples out to all the major players in ebike sales. Could there be a Wisper cyclomatic on the horizon I wonder?

 

[onmebike]

This seems simlar and is 36v/10Ah

Unbranded Batribike Breeze Folding Electric Bike 36v on eBay (end time 31-Jan-10 09:00:15 GMT)

Dave like you part of the fun for me is the tweaking and fiddling. I also started with an Alienocean kit and agree you need a little techie know how to fit it properly. I am now on my third ebike in as many months, having sold the Alien kit.


Jerry

Thats similar to the Cyclomatic and the Alien pulsar. they're certainly getting cheaper.

 

[onmebike]

The 180W motor will be a bit gutless, but so is the Tongxin I guess
As long as hills are not too challenging, it's a good buy.

My main reserve would be on the frame quality though. These little leisure folders are designed for caravaning, boating, etc. They are not designed for heavy daily use. Over time, basic components can be swapped for better ones indeed (Shimano drive train, tyres, lights), but fragile solder joints are dangerous and broken frames are a write-off.

Please note that I have no experience of this particular brand / retailer, I am just visually comparing with the kind of frames I have seen from China.

Cheers, Dan

Hi, The frame on the folder seems pretty strong, the welds are neat and uniform. The frames main folding mechanism has a spring loaded bolt and quick release lever. I think the major weakness if there is one, will be the height of the handlebars and the leverage that may be thrust on them when braking hard or in a minor collision?

 

[Old Timer]

Hi, The frame on the folder seems pretty strong, the welds are neat and uniform. The frames main folding mechanism has a spring loaded bolt and quick release lever. I think the major weakness if there is one, will be the height of the handlebars and the leverage that may be thrust on them when braking hard or in a minor collision?

No minor collisions for me!!! I don`t ride em, I only buy em

 

[Old Timer]

This seems simlar and is 36v/10Ah

Unbranded Batribike Breeze Folding Electric Bike 36v on eBay (end time 31-Jan-10 09:00:15 GMT)

Dave like you part of the fun for me is the tweaking and fiddling. I also started with an Alienocean kit and agree you need a little techie know how to fit it properly. I am now on my third ebike in as many months, having sold the Alien kit.


Jerry

Hi Jerry

Getting the crank off needed the help of a puller and the Green Giant, I fitted the pedelc on the left in the end to be able to keep the triple chain wheels. Repositioning my gear change lever that was fixed to my brake lever that was fixed to a lug on the bars took some working on. I had to file out my fork ends to get more depth. I like the way the controller is now on the rack and the battery just pushes into it. Now for the wiring up in the morning

I notice that the cable from the hub (comes out on the right hand side now BTW) leaves the spindle and aims up the fork. I`m thinking that this might be where water could enter the hub. I`m tempted to give it a touch of silicon but wonder if it needs to breath?

I`m working in an 11`x11` shed (used to be my photographic studio) I`ve got a heater, aircon, dab radio, satellite tv, a pc and my wife brings me out endless cups of tea what more could you want while it`s snowing outside.

Dave

 

[keithhazel]

Hi Jerry



I`m working in an 11`x11` shed (used to be my photographic studio) I`ve got a heater, aircon, dab radio, satellite tv, a pc and my wife brings me out endless cups of tea what more could you want while it`s snowing outside.

Dave

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your own kettle in the shed

 

[Old Timer]

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your own kettle in the shed

I thought of that Keith but then I`d have to put in a sink When the wife has to go out then she makes me up a flask

 

[jerrysimon]

A sink, what luxury

Thats the only thing my workshop lacks really. Well maybe a bog too!

Then add a shower/cooking facilities and I could move in, bliss.

Regards

Jerry

 

[Old Timer]

A sink, what luxury

Thats the only thing my workshop lacks really. Well maybe a bog too!

Then add a shower/cooking facilities and I could move in, bliss.

Regards

Jerry

Jerry

That`s an idea mate, I could fit a drop down bunk for my afternoon knaps How about a small fridge to keep the beer cool in summer?

 

[jerrysimon]

Back on topic I see the offer is still on!

Jerry

 

[eddieo]

I see it like this...from the perspective of not being mechanically inclined.

I did my home work and bought a compact Sony camera approx 3 years ago it was the best at that time I think and about £250? I still have it and it works perfectly. Over the same period my daughter has had three and now needs a fourth. she spent £50 - £80 on each. I think I will stick with Wisper for the same reason.......

 

[Mussels]

I see it like this...from the perspective of not being mechanically inclined.

I did my home work and bought a compact Sony camera approx 3 years ago it was the best at that time I think and about £250? I still have it and it works perfectly. Over the same period my daughter has had three and now needs a fourth. she spent £50 - £80 on each. I think I will stick with Wisper for the same reason.......

Aren't you about to order your third Wisper?

 

[eddieo]

Aren't you about to order your third Wisper?

Doh!..........kinda

 

[Wisper Bikes]

Cheap as Chips

Thats similar to the Cyclomatic and the Alien pulsar. they're certainly getting cheaper.

Even cheaper in China where electric bikes retail for as little as £120.00 you pay your money and take your choice! (I have always thought that was the wrong way around!)

As a matter of interest Wisper has just opened a Taiwanese dealer who is selling Wisper bikes for the same price as in the rest of the world we are also in negotiation with a Chinese dealer who will do the same. The simple answer is that if you build a bike using superb equipment it will cost more than if you build one using cheap stuff! Especialy if you offer a decent service and no quibble guaranty.

All the best

David

 

[Wisper Bikes]

A cheap Wisper, perrish the thought!

Maybe they sent samples out to all the major players in ebike sales. Could there be a Wisper cyclomatic on the horizon I wonder?

Nope, sorry!

 

[onmebike]

I see it like this...from the perspective of not being mechanically inclined.

I did my home work and bought a compact Sony camera approx 3 years ago it was the best at that time I think and about £250? I still have it and it works perfectly. Over the same period my daughter has had three and now needs a fourth. she spent £50 - £80 on each. I think I will stick with Wisper for the same reason.......

Ahh yes, but your daughter probably doesn't take the same care of things as you do because she buys cheaper.
Looking at it from a different angle your daughter has had the variety in her purchases of 3 or 4 different camera's, hasn't spent much more than you and £80 today buys the technology that £250 did 2 or 3 years ago.
If your talking about digital camera's her newer cheaper model will probably have higher specs than yours, its exactly the same with mobile phone technology etc continually improving.
Some years ago I bought a £800 digital camera and all the extras to go with it. I took out an extended warranty. After a couple of years I accidently dropped the camera on the kitchen tiles and broke it. When I claimed on the insurance they replaced it with one costing £147, the reason being the policy stated a replacement should be of similar or higher specs and the replacement exceeded the specification of the original. I managed to talk them into going a little higher on price because none of my accessories were compatible with the £147 one.
Ebike technology is pretty basic, the bike itself is ancient technology and little goes wrong, the motor controller and battery are the main concerns and are still improving, newer 8sp hub gears are great but not user friendly because if they fail you'll probably be walking home. If shimano's fail you can generally fix them in one gear and continue on your way.
Regarding batteries, even the best can fail and sometimes the cheaper one's excel. Brushless motors have little to wear apart from bearings and the windings can burn out but their pretty reliable. That leaves the controller which I think is the weak point of ebikes, a mass of ic's, transistors, diodes, capacitors and a circuit board. This can be affected by heat, moisture and shock which should all be taken into account during manufacture. Failure of the controller will almost certainly mean a replacement because its not cost effective to repair.
Biggest causes of breakdowns are punctures and chains breaking I would think which are common to all bikes irrespective of price.
Reliability is important but it can't be guaranteed, even the best technology fails. Having a spare would be more reliable than just the one which is why buying cheap works.

 

[Wisper Bikes]

Strange

That is strange as I have replied to your post and it hasn't been posted!

If you go into edit you can delete the duplicated post.

I have just had a look at bike you mention and I agree it is very good value for such a price, I would price this bike at more like £800. I do wonder however why they are "knocking them out cheap" I would suggest they have been in storage for a while and the batteries have not been looked after, or they are pulling out of the electric bike market and are liquidating the stock however if you are after a cheap electric bike I would say go for it, but be careful and ask the right questions.

All the best

David

PS Where is West Essex? I used to live in Southend, well Thorpe Bay if you want to be posh is Southend now East Essx?

 

[onmebike]

Even cheaper in China where electric bikes retail for as little as £120.00 you pay your money and take your choice! (I have always thought that was the wrong way around!)

As a matter of interest Wisper has just opened a Taiwanese dealer who is selling Wisper bikes for the same price as in the rest of the world we are also in negotiation with a Chinese dealer who will do the same. The simple answer is that if you build a bike using superb equipment it will cost more than if you build one using cheap stuff! Especialy if you offer a decent service and no quibble guaranty.

All the best

David

Hi, now your the man who should know the answer to this. When putting together a top of the range ebike, who does manufacture the best components, batteries, gears, bl motors and controllers etc. The reason I ask is most of what I've seen is pretty similar and comparable in quality but my experience is only with the lower price range's, say £300- £700.
I just can't get my head around a £2500 price tag on a ebike when I can buy a new motorcycle or 50inch LED TV for less.

 

[eddieo]

you can edit & delete it.

You could have argued and paid a top up amount, and got the latest technology out of the insurance company

I just dont get your logic, it is nonsense as far as I am concerned...You are all enthusiastic regards a purchase wth absolutely no history, no track record and no guarantee of anything.

are you seriously suggesting that owning one of these will be a comparable experience to owning a 905SE

for a couple of hundred quid more you could have a reliable well regarded 36 v bike like an Alien...what is the point

 

[Wisper Bikes]

LED TVs

It does seem crazy but I supose even two cheap 50" telly's wouldn't be much use to pop down to the station on!

A LCD television would not cost anything like the same as an electric bike due to the cost of components. LCD screens are seriously cheap now, since the R and D had already been amortized several times over and apart from the screen, a cheap molded case and some circuit boards what is in a TV?

It comes down to basic economics, if there was the same demand for electric bikes as there is for TV's and the supply could keep up with demand, the price of batteries and all other components would come tumbling down enabling manufactures to offer high quality at lower prices. I paid £5,700 for my first 42" TV but at that time was paying for the billions that had been invested in getting that TV to market. The problem is that if we want to stay at the cutting edge we need to buy the latest technology which is not cheap. I will no doubt pay a high price for the first 3D TV when it comes out too.

Regarding the 906xc, don't forget we also market the £999.00 905Eco model which is similar to our £2399.00 906xc in looks but is neither as hi tech or high quality. Two interesting points on the xc, first we make LESS margin on the xc than we do on the eco and second we have orders for many more xc models than we do for the Eco.

I guess people just love quality and innovation, thank goodness or you would not now be able to pick up a cheap telly!

All the best

David