Cyclamatic £319.99 for a day.

[Old Timer]

I still say that no ebike warrants a price greater than a new 125/250cc motorcycle.
The component count of a motorcycle far exceeds that of an ebike. The assembly time is greater and the shipping weight is far greater at 150kg+.

Onmebike
We really need to meet! A dirt track for motobikes around my fields!Now that really sounds interesting I have a full motobike licence, do you?

How about we do the Tour de France course on our Cyclamatics this year? My wife can drive my Transporter van with the generator as back up We might even be able to re-charge on the move like the RAF!

Don`t know what will happen if you tell me you have a amateur radio licence!

 

[Old Timer]

You are now amongst our most serious devotees....4 e bikes no less in a matter of weeks

4 e bikes! 4 grand daughters all of age with a Grandson on the way. Now i can`t wait to get my hands on that boy

 

[Old Timer]

The news is spreading Reviews of Cyclamatic Power Plus Electric Bike from Cyclamatic
better get your orders in while stocks last

 

[Old Timer]

WHROK from England - 5 out of 5.

but I would have liked a spare battery, which could not be supplied. That said, I still have not managed to run out of power - and I have tried...


The batteries are now available for £180

 

[keithhazel]

WHROK from England - 5 out of 5.

but I would have liked a spare battery, which could not be supplied. That said, I still have not managed to run out of power - and I have tried...


The batteries are now available for £180

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if he hasn't run the battery out of power after "all this time"...seems pointless buying a spare one to use unfrequently and waste £180... sounds to me like some of these people dont realise that batteries die with age and not with use..i doubt he would want a spare if he realised it could be dead in 18 months even if only used half a dozen times...

 

[onmebike]

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if he hasn't run the battery out of power after "all this time"...seems pointless buying a spare one to use unfrequently and waste £180... sounds to me like some of these people dont realise that batteries die with age and not with use..i doubt he would want a spare if he realised it could be dead in 18 months even if only used half a dozen times...

Thats an interesting theory, dead in eighteen months? Lithium ion has better shelf life than most other types of battery as far as I'm aware provided the storage requirements are kept to.
My older digital camera batteries are still fine at 3yrs+ with infrequent use.
Yes they do deteriorate capacity wise but nowhere near as quick as Lipo's.
In fact just checked my K10D and its showing full charge after 2yrs with no use.
Being involved in r/c modelling I've a shed load of most types of battery, Ni-cad, Nimh, Lipo and Lead acid. I buy mostly from China because prices are so much better than in the UK. Funny thing with buying abroad, I've never been charged import duty or vat from China but always have from USA, I get the feeling the Chinese have some kind of concessions on exports to the UK.
With frequent use its always better to have two batteries and cycle them, never charge while warm from use or use while warm from charging and for storage part charge at regular intervals, I think its 60-90 days for Lithium ion.
I'll get some more info.

 

[flecc]

I suggest if your going to quote me please quote me correctly. I never said everyone buys in container loads or that its the only way that ebikes are sold, but those that do, can sell cheaper.

I haven't misquoted you, you've misunderstood the point I'm making.

Which is that if everyone buys in contaiber loads, which they do, they are all buying them cheaply. Therefore your point on buying in container loads had no point since it's universal.
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[onmebike]

The news is spreading Reviews of Cyclamatic Power Plus Electric Bike from Cyclamatic
better get your orders in while stocks last

Hi Dave, I read those reviews with interest and it got me looking more into the history of Cyclamatic. SportsHQ who sell them in the UK are part of a larger worldwide organization who claim to be one of the worlds biggest sports suppliers. See here Electric Bikes - Golf Outlets of America
The website is identical to SportsHQ but read the company info etc.

 

[Old Timer]

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if he hasn't run the battery out of power after "all this time"...seems pointless buying a spare one to use unfrequently and waste £180... sounds to me like some of these people dont realise that batteries die with age and not with use..i doubt he would want a spare if he realised it could be dead in 18 months even if only used half a dozen times...

That`s all very well Keith but some people want to travel more than the battery capacity in one go. What`s the alternative? carry a geni around?

So! are you saying that in 18 months his first battery will be caput? no matter how much he uses it? even if he does the right thing and tops it up? or uses it alternatively.

I bought a second battery for my wifes bike and will use them alternately and when she is going a distance she will take the second battery as well.

My own experience with Lith batteries are that most of the problems people talk about are caused by mismatch chargers.

Just asking

 

[onmebike]

I haven't misquoted you, you've misunderstood the point I'm making.

Which is that if everyone buys in contaiber loads, which they do, they are all buying them cheaply. Therefore your point on buying in container loads had no point since it's universal.
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I somehow can't see the likes of Wisper importing in container loads they surely don't turn over that many sales in the UK.

 

[flecc]

The news is spreading Reviews of Cyclamatic Power Plus Electric Bike from Cyclamatic
better get your orders in while stocks last

Interesting that the shop publishing those reviews sell the Cyclamatic at 1000 pounds, reduced from 1600 pounds they say.

So the range of pricing to date that we've seen is 1600, 1000, 399 and 319 pounds.
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[flecc]

I somehow can't see the likes of Wisper importing in container loads they surely don't turn over that many sales in the UK.

I remember them selling 500 bikes in November.

Sorry for showing my amusement, but your lack of real knowledge of this industry is showing a bit. Even in Wisper's earlier days they imported by contaner loads, it's the only practical way to import from China.
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[onmebike]

Onmebike
We really need to meet! A dirt track for motobikes around my fields!Now that really sounds interesting I have a full motobike licence, do you?

How about we do the Tour de France course on our Cyclamatics this year? My wife can drive my Transporter van with the generator as back up We might even be able to re-charge on the move like the RAF!

Don`t know what will happen if you tell me you have a amateur radio licence!

Hi, funny you should mention your motorcycle licence. I've just treated myself to a new Triumph T100, it must be my age?
Regarding Amateur radio, I used to repair CB and sideband radio's and yes I do hold an Amateur licence although I never use it now. I still have my radios/test equipment and my aerials are still all intact after 25+ years.
The dirt track in your field sounds an excellant idea, whereabouts are you?
I'm not far from Copthall, Epping.
How are you getting on with the folding bike. I sold the one I got in the sale the other day. The first person who saw it wanted it. I didn't charge them full price, just enough to make my own a tad cheaper, silly I know, I could have benefitted from the full discount. Thats a great sales gimmic. the rewards points, I've earn't £45 in points so a spare battery will only cost £155.
My other bike has just gone up by £100 since I bought it which is unusual in the present climate. I'm amazed that the batteries for the folding bikes are 10.5ah they advertise them as 8ah. I'm looking into the possibility of using 36volts on them, the motors are rated at 180-250w and 24-36v its just the controller thats cause for concern. When I get time I'll crack it open and see what components can be upgraded, it shouldn't take much. This is all pretty basic stuff. I've got model brushless motors here capable of 4800rpm per volt but they have little torque, okay for a ducted fan or small propellor. The ebike motors are just slower running high torque motors but should give better service life at 24v and draw less current than at 36v. Do you remember your ohms law?
Have you tried your kit bike out yet? Be careful in your field that front wheel may lose traction on the wet grass and that'll be your fun over for a while.
Tour de france? I ain't seen this country yet. You don't need the van, get a trailer for the bike to carry a generator and a 30amp psu, the bikes range would be limited to what it could do in the 8hrs the generator runs on a tank full.

 

[NRG]

That`s all very well Keith but some people want to travel more than the battery capacity in one go. What`s the alternative? carry a geni around?

So! are you saying that in 18 months his first battery will be caput? no matter how much he uses it? even if he does the right thing and tops it up? or uses it alternatively.

I bought a second battery for my wifes bike and will use them alternately and when she is going a distance she will take the second battery as well.

My own experience with Lith batteries are that most of the problems people talk about are caused by mismatch chargers.

Just asking

Have a look at the Battery University page: How to prolong lithium-based batteries

In particular this bit:

Keep the lithium-ion battery cool. Avoid a hot car. For prolonged storage, keep the battery at a 40% charge level.

Avoid purchasing spare lithium-ion batteries for later use. Observe manufacturing dates. Do not buy old stock, even if sold at clearance prices.

Not all Lithium Ion battery's are made the same, some of the poorer Chinese ones have known to die within 18 months or a lot sooner. I'd say 18 months would be good going given the high current application of an E-Bike and say a life of 300~500 cycles or so...

 

[onmebike]

I remember them selling 500 bikes in November.

Sorry for showing my amusement, but your lack of real knowledge of this industry is showing a bit. Even in Wisper's earlier days they imported by contaner loads, it's the only practical way to import from China.
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I'm pleased your amused, that is after all the purpose of these forum's, a little banter and harmless humour. You certainly took the bait. I'm amazed you take it all so seriously. If you own a Wisper you should have a better sense of humour cos this isn't the first time youv'e been had.
I'll be the first to admit my knowledge of the ebike industry is miniscule. But, the power of bulk purchasing isn't restricted to ebikes.
500 sale's of top of the range Wisper branded ebikes a month to the UK market alone, is that sales and deliveries all fulfilled within that month? In my estimation thats a turnover of close to £12,000.000 pa on just the Wisper brand alone? Good going Wisper.
I'm an inland revenue inspector, I can check this out.

 

[onmebike]

Have a look at the Battery University page: How to prolong lithium-based batteries

In particular this bit:

Keep the lithium-ion battery cool. Avoid a hot car. For prolonged storage, keep the battery at a 40% charge level.

Avoid purchasing spare lithium-ion batteries for later use. Observe manufacturing dates. Do not buy old stock, even if sold at clearance prices.

Not all Lithium Ion battery's are made the same, some of the poorer Chinese ones have known to die within 18 months or a lot sooner. I'd say 18 months would be good going given the high current application of an E-Bike and say a life of 300~500 cycles or so...

Its all pretty standard stuff but I don't know how old that info is? I suggest you look to the manufacturer for current info on your batteries of choice.
Avoid buying for later use? Which is basically what I said, if you have two batteries cycle them and if storing follow the storage instructions. !8mths of continuous use would be better than I'd expect from heavy daily use/charging. I think you'd be lucky to get a year from daily use on one battery before the capacity is affected. Cycle two and you'll do far better and have the added benefit of extended range.

 

[flecc]

I'm an inland revenue inspector.

No you're not.
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[onmebike]

Interesting that the shop publishing those reviews sell the Cyclamatic at 1000 pounds, reduced from 1600 pounds they say.

So the range of pricing to date that we've seen is 1600, 1000, 399 and 319 pounds.
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Sales jargon, click on add to cart and see they're £399.00?
When first available a year ago they were £499.00 and can still be found on amazon for that price.They have never sold for £1000, that is estimated value in comparison to other ebike's available, not what they had been selling for.

 

[flecc]

Sales jargon, click on add to cart and see they're £399.00?
When first available a year ago they were £499.00 and can still be found on amazon for that price.They have never sold for £1000, that is estimated value in comparison to other ebike's available, not what they had been selling for.

Yes, of course it is just selling techniques.

I still maintain as I said in the previous thread that prices like the 399 and 319 are clearance prices, either due to overstock or old stock needing urgent clearance due to battery ageing. The 499 of a year ago was just about possible for a bike of that spec using bottom end components to be sold online at rock bottom margins. Since then the exchange rates have changed dramatically for the worse, hence the big leap in so many bike and battery prices, and my disbelief.

Even the huge Tesco when they got into e-bikes could only offer an all-steel, lead-acid battery bike with the old outrigger Currie motor for 349, and the largest bike retailer Halfords could only get down to 799 when entering the market. I've no idea of SportsHQ's actual size, but they are far smaller than those two.
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[Scatty]

If they are that good why have they still got stock?????? personally im not tempted at all