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vfr400

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Ros Atkins explores why people continue to use the controversial drug.
This might save him some time, or he could phone the Indian Government:
 

vfr400

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Snippet from LinkedIn:
> I cover disinformation shared online globally

You are really not doing yourself favours.
That's not 'their' disinformation, it's other people's disinformation, obvs.

Having said that, what on earth are you doing trusting LinkedIn as a source of hard facts anyway?
If there was ever a source of self-aggrandising bullsh*t, that is it.
That's all irrelevant. She herself describes her job as "Specialist Disinformation and Social Media Reporter at BBC ". It can't be clearer than that. No need to look at what all the other berks write on Linkedin.
 

vfr400

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Oliver waves around the seemingly frightening 'fact' that some children have shown symptoms of heart inflammation after vaccination, but says neither that they are rare,
Who told you that it's rare? A little birdie flew in through my window and told me that they nearly all get heart inflamation to a greater or lesser extent, which most recover from and most don't even know that it's happened.
 

Tony1951

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Who told you that it's rare? A little birdie flew in through my window and told me that they nearly all get heart inflamation to a greater or lesser extent, which most recover from and most don't even know that it's happened.
Well that'sá good reason to get a cat and stop these little birds misinforming you then. In fact; get two. Get three cats, the bigger and more feisty, the better.

The main enquiry by JCVI concluded that the risk of illness without vaccination cor covid-19 was slightly more than the risk of vaccination, but that the margin was insufficient to justify vaccinating on the advantages to the child on purely medial grounds.

The decision not to recommend the vaccine to all healthy children was based on concern over an extremely rare side effect of the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines which causes heart inflammation, and can lead to palpitations and chest pain.
Data from the US, where millions of young teenagers have been vaccinated, suggests there are 60 cases of the heart condition for every million second doses given to 12 to 17-year-old boys (compared to eight in one million girls).
If you're not too busy listening to the birds, why not read the JVCI advice, so you can get it right when you post. I know how committed to getting it right for people you are when you post about e-bike problems, so here's your chance to stop spreading shyte about this issue. Funny how you openly despise spreaders of e-bike misinformation, but seem entirely oblivious to your own issues in this thread.

JCVI Advice on Government website
 

richtea99

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That's all irrelevant. She herself describes her job as "Specialist Disinformation and Social Media Reporter at BBC ". It can't be clearer than that. No need to look at what all the other berks write on Linkedin.
Without being cheeky here's an example:
- a Royal Correspondent reports on the royals. They are not themselves royal.
- a Disinformation Reporter reports on disinformation. They are not themselves disinforming.

I think you're reading what you want to see, so to speak.
Either that, or you're winding me up. If so, you've got me hook, line & sinker. :D
 
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StuartsProjects

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This might save him some time, or he could phone the Indian Government:
Mentioned in here I think;


Ivermectin compared to no treatment for prevention of SARS‐CoV‐2 infection

We found one study. Mortality up to 28 days was the only outcome eligible for primary analysis. We are uncertain whether ivermectin reduces or increases mortality compared to no treatment (0 participants died; 1 study, 304 participants; very low‐certainty evidence). The study reported results for development of COVID‐19 symptoms and adverse events up to 14 days that were included in a secondary analysis due to high risk of bias. No study reported SARS‐CoV‐2 infection, hospital admission, and quality of life up to 14 days.

Authors' conclusions

Based on the current very low‐ to low‐certainty evidence, we are uncertain about the efficacy and safety of ivermectin used to treat or prevent COVID‐19. The completed studies are small and few are considered high quality. Several studies are underway that may produce clearer answers in review updates. Overall, the reliable evidence available does not support the use of ivermectin for treatment or prevention of COVID‐19 outside of well‐designed randomized trials.

So who does one believe ?
 

StuartsProjects

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BBC1 Question time is on live, with audiance, this evening @ 22:35 , for the first time since the start of the pandemic, I suspect the issue of Covid will come up.

Might be interesting.
 
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nigelbb

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Who told you that it's rare? A little birdie flew in through my window and told me that they nearly all get heart inflamation to a greater or lesser extent, which most recover from and most don't even know that it's happened.
Hearing voices now?
 

nigelbb

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Mentioned in here I think;


Ivermectin compared to no treatment for prevention of SARS‐CoV‐2 infection

We found one study. Mortality up to 28 days was the only outcome eligible for primary analysis. We are uncertain whether ivermectin reduces or increases mortality compared to no treatment (0 participants died; 1 study, 304 participants; very low‐certainty evidence). The study reported results for development of COVID‐19 symptoms and adverse events up to 14 days that were included in a secondary analysis due to high risk of bias. No study reported SARS‐CoV‐2 infection, hospital admission, and quality of life up to 14 days.

Authors' conclusions

Based on the current very low‐ to low‐certainty evidence, we are uncertain about the efficacy and safety of ivermectin used to treat or prevent COVID‐19. The completed studies are small and few are considered high quality. Several studies are underway that may produce clearer answers in review updates. Overall, the reliable evidence available does not support the use of ivermectin for treatment or prevention of COVID‐19 outside of well‐designed randomized trials.

So who does one believe ?
Science isn't about belief or faith it's about evidence & there is no evidence either way.
 

nigelbb

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This might save him some time, or he could phone the Indian Government:
That paper is interesting but not very strong evidence because it's not a double blind randomised trial where neither participants nor those running the trial now who received active drug & who received placebo until the codes are broken after the trial was completed. This was done arse about face by seeing who had tested positive & who negative then working backwards & trying to match them by age, sex, occupation etc & asking them what they had taken by way of prophylaxis.
This sort of paper isn't strong evidence of efficacy just an interesting indication that it might be worthwhile running a double blind randomised trial.
 
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vfr400

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Well that'sá good reason to get a cat and stop these little birds misinforming you then. In fact; get two. Get three cats, the bigger and more feisty, the better.

The main enquiry by JCVI concluded that the risk of illness without vaccination cor covid-19 was slightly more than the risk of vaccination, but that the margin was insufficient to justify vaccinating on the advantages to the child on purely medial grounds.





If you're not too busy listening to the birds, why not read the JVCI advice, so you can get it right when you post. I know how committed to getting it right for people you are when you post about e-bike problems, so here's your chance to stop spreading shyte about this issue. Funny how you openly despise spreaders of e-bike misinformation, but seem entirely oblivious to your own issues in this thread.

JCVI Advice on Government website
I'd rather trust my little birdie. It's never been wrong yet.
 

vfr400

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Science isn't about belief or faith it's about evidence & there is no evidence either way.
There is plenty of evidence. The problem is that the political and financial agendas get in the way. As soon as a legitimate test/trial/data collection shows anything that conflicts with their agendas, they pay someone to write a pseudo-science report to show the opposite. I've already told you that if you want to know who to trust, look who funds the organisations that make the reports, then look who funds them.
 

nigelbb

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There is plenty of evidence. The problem is that the political and financial agendas get in the way. As soon as a legitimate test/trial/data collection shows anything that conflicts with their agendas, they pay someone to write a pseudo-science report to show the opposite. I've already told you that if you want to know who to trust, look who funds the organisations that make the reports, then look who funds them.
No. There is not 'plenty of evidence'. There is evidence indicating it's effective & evidence indicating it's ineffective. Thus far there has not been a robust double blind randomised controlled trial of Ivermectin. When there has been we will know one way or another. People were making the same claims for the efficacy of Hydroxychloroquine last year until it was proved useless by the RECOVERY trial. Belief & faith only belong in a cult. We need to wait for credible scientific evidence.
 
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nigelbb

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There is plenty of evidence. The problem is that the political and financial agendas get in the way. As soon as a legitimate test/trial/data collection shows anything that conflicts with their agendas, they pay someone to write a pseudo-science report to show the opposite. I've already told you that if you want to know who to trust, look who funds the organisations that make the reports, then look who funds them.
Crap! The RECOVERY trial showed 30% reduction in deaths for patients who required oxygen when treated with Dexamethasone which is out of patent & costs pennies. The RECOVERY trial also showed reduction in death for severely ill patients treated with Remdesivir that costs a couple of thousand pounds for a course of treatment. The RECOVERY trial showed Hydroxychloroquine was useless. It also showed that convalescent plasma was useless. None of this information is anything about an agenda. Just good science that shows what it shows.
 

Tony1951

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Crap! The RECOVERY trial showed 30% reduction in deaths for patients who required oxygen when treated with Dexamethasone which is out of patent & costs pennies. The RECOVERY trial also showed reduction in death for severely ill patients treated with Remdesivir that costs a couple of thousand pounds for a course of treatment. The RECOVERY trial showed Hydroxychloroquine was useless. It also showed that convalescent plasma was useless. None of this information is anything about an agenda. Just good science that shows what it shows.
This discussion puts me in mind of my grandmother. She had a saying, something about leading horses, and water. She knew about horses, leastways her father did. He worked as a groomsman.
 

vfr400

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This discussion puts me in mind of my grandmother. She had a saying, something about leading horses, and water. She knew about horses, leastways her father did. He worked as a groomsman.
Try looking in the miror to see if you have a long face.
 

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