Cyclist critical after attack

[Alex728]

Fantastic post, Flecc. Yes, please do put the other stories in the Charging Post area. There is much food for thought here.

Andy

definitely. some of these tactics will be needed again as the younger people get a bit angrier, disaffected and full of despair (which was the reality of the 1950s-1980s for many).

 

[Cyclezee]

BBC Radio 2 Today

There will be more on this subject on todays Jeremy Vine Show BBC Radio 2 at noon.

J hn

 

[Sir_Bob]

This is terrible news i cant beleive people can be like animals i have had youths shouting abuse at me before. i just put my ipod on louder though so i cant hear them and they go away. one time before i even had misiles thrown at me i feel for this poor guy what ever next

thx

Bob

 

[Bigbee]

There is no respect these days from youngers to their elders.We used to look after the elders as they had looked after us when we were young.Now the aged are just easy victims,as are other age groups.Gangs talk of " respect " but thats a rubbish black gangster thing,sorry ting .In india they still have the right idea,no social benefit of any degree,so have a few kids and they will look after you when your old.Innit?

 

[Alex728]

In india they still have the right idea,no social benefit of any degree,so have a few kids and they will look after you when your old.Innit?

I'm of Asian ancestry (my extended family are of mixed Indian and Chinese ancestry and mostly from Malaysia) and this view many have of Asia and Asian culture is is an oversimplified and overoptimistic view compared to reality.

"Family values" may on the surface seem better but thats provided genders, castes and age groups "know their place" and do not attempt to challenge the status quo - if they do they are dealt with with a horrifying amount of violence. There is as much if not far worse violent crime in Asian nations, it would shock even those living in the worst inner city areas of England. Old people are just at risk of being robbed or abused in Asian nations as much as they are in the West and their families aren't always there to protect them or may even be the perpetrators. Amongst criminals the use of deadly weapons including firearms is much more prevalent than it would be in England and people regularly get caught up in the crossfire and the level of Police corruption and brutality makes "life on mars" type stuff pale into insignificance.

I've not even mentioned the turmoil with regard to religion, but that is blindingly obvious to those who don't stick their heads in the sand and switch off "bad news" when they see it on the telly..

sometimes the grass is not greener on the other side and there is no bright side, you have to just face up to and deal with the darkness.

 

[flecc]

I certainly agree on those points Alex, there's quite a bit of evidence of what you say reported here if attention is paid to the detail of TV and radio reports.

Huge numbers from many nations aspire to come to Britain to live, legally or illegally, and they do it in part because this country is still one of the safest places on earth to live.

We do get a bit too obsessed with our limited troubles and lose the bigger picture, failing to realise that things that have worsened here have often worsened to a similar degree elsewhere. We are very much globalised now, social trends and troubles increasingly shared by many countries.
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[Alex728]

five youths nicked..

BBC NEWS | UK | England | Surrey | Five held in cyclist attack probe

 

[Alex728]

this was in the Grauniad

Thieves can steal my bike, but won't ever rob me of cycling for pleasure | Environment | guardian.co.uk

there is a definite consensus that "designated cycling routes" are a security risk. I will always use the road if possible as youths tend not to wander right in the middle of it.

yesterday some kid (in a group) shouted a small amount of drunken racist abuse at me - I knew not to retaliate though as I already had the advantage being in the middle of the road and moving, neither him nor his accomplices would be able to catch me and I was out of the range of any potential missiles.

getting back to the Surrey incident - there has been one older defendant charged (name in the papers) and two juveniles (names not given due to legal reasons). Now I know we have to be careful about sub judice but what I am mentioning here is a potential modus operandi rather than the guilt or otherwise of the defendant (which is of course for the Courts to ultimately decide).

I googled the defendants name, and it shows a previous offence where he made off from law enforcement on a bicycle. this does hint that the unfortunate Portugese chap may well have been chased by a fellow cyclist of equal or greater fitness than himself..

Still, it is a good argument for a faster e-bike..