My battery is now dead and do I dispose of it at the council refuse electrical areas , where the tellys etc are or is there a proceedure to disposing your battery.?
disposing dead batteries
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I use the Council recycling centre, which in my case has a two part battery section, car and household. I put a lithium battery into household but with a large sticky label on it warning lithium battery.
There are no lithium battery recycling facilities anywhere outside of a prototype one in Germany, and even that is only 50% efficient at best at lithium recovery. However, at least the council will be able to use a proper hazardous waste designated landfill site.
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There are no lithium battery recycling facilities anywhere outside of a prototype one in Germany, and even that is only 50% efficient at best at lithium recovery. However, at least the council will be able to use a proper hazardous waste designated landfill site.
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Maybe a member could benefit from your old battery in the form of spare parts if you state what bike it came off. Obviously they would have to cover the costs of sending it to them.
Interesting - I didn't think the Aurora had been around all that long. I know it's supposed to be - how can I put it - generously specified in the performance department.
Maybe that's the price you have to pay. You don't sound as though you're complaining.
Rog.
Rather like the eZee Torq 1, those levels of motor power and performance give a 36 v 10 Ah battery a very rough time, much more time spent in the inefficient motor rev regions due to the high motor gearing. I suspect like that earlier bike, peak efficiency doesn't come until about 16/17 mph.
Also currently like the 'fast' (S-class) Panasonic pedelec might be, although its saving grace would perhaps be that the system in general is easier on the battery. Other than the legal difficulties mentioned elsewhere and not to be taken lightly especially in the light of recent occurrences, just from the engineering viewpoint that might be the best compromise around.
Rog.
This problem doesn't apply to the Panasonic system though Rog, even the "S" series. Driving through the gears it's most of the time at or near maximum efficiency, hence the high range* on small capacities. It's also half the peak power of such as that Torq and Aurora, and as you say, has sophisticated software control of the system.
* Typically 25 miles on the 26 mph power assisted "S" system with 260 Wh of battery, unmatched by any other e-bike system.
I didn't think the problem applied to the Panasonic system - maybe I wasn't being quite clear.
Having just taken delivery of a new non-S class Panasonic pedelec, it's pretty obvious why the battery lasts and lasts - the thing makes you work at it in a way the Wisper doesn't. I found the Wisper good exercise but it's immediately obvious that the Kalkhoff is going to do a much better job of that.
You can put just as much effort or as little effort as you wish into riding the Wisper (mine's a 2008 one though I doubt that's very significant) but you definitely get rewarded for effort with the Panasonic system.
I suppose if you like cycling and are looking for some enjoyable exercise but are in reasonable nick yourself, the Panasonic has much to commend it. That would be me - I'm already enjoying it (weather permitting). It's definitely a bit of a surprise though - if you think a bike is a bike is a bike, prepare to learn fast....
Don't let me put anyone off a Wisper though - it was a very good choice as an intro to e-biking, and 1 haven't quite made up my mind whether to get a new battery for it (but not yet, it doesn't come anywhere near to needing one) and keep it - it's almost immaculate and *only* 3 1/2 years old - or reluctantly put it onto e-bay.
The sensible thing would be to pass it on - it's fairly obvious from what I read on here that if you're not careful e-bikes breed like rabbits.
Rog.
Having just taken delivery of a new non-S class Panasonic pedelec, it's pretty obvious why the battery lasts and lasts - the thing makes you work at it in a way the Wisper doesn't. I found the Wisper good exercise but it's immediately obvious that the Kalkhoff is going to do a much better job of that.
You can put just as much effort or as little effort as you wish into riding the Wisper (mine's a 2008 one though I doubt that's very significant) but you definitely get rewarded for effort with the Panasonic system.
I suppose if you like cycling and are looking for some enjoyable exercise but are in reasonable nick yourself, the Panasonic has much to commend it. That would be me - I'm already enjoying it (weather permitting). It's definitely a bit of a surprise though - if you think a bike is a bike is a bike, prepare to learn fast....
Don't let me put anyone off a Wisper though - it was a very good choice as an intro to e-biking, and 1 haven't quite made up my mind whether to get a new battery for it (but not yet, it doesn't come anywhere near to needing one) and keep it - it's almost immaculate and *only* 3 1/2 years old - or reluctantly put it onto e-bay.
The sensible thing would be to pass it on - it's fairly obvious from what I read on here that if you're not careful e-bikes breed like rabbits.
Rog.
That's a very good summing up of the Panasonic system Rog, definitely good for exercise and fitness and nearer to being a normal bike than many e-systems. Hub motor bikes often tend to have a degree of the moped character about them, though some very much more than others.
My Wisper 905SE is definitely a bit of a brute - perhaps a little less so now as the battery isn't as peppy as when new - but still, loads of 'pull' and it hasn't balked at any hill I've wanted to ride it up so far.
One disadvantage (the only one really) from my viewpoint is that it's a one-size option and it would better fit someone closer to six feet tall than I am - 5' 7" means that the handlebars are higher than I'd like although the frame shape does allow me to get a comfortable saddle height.
The Kalkhoff fits me - and feels like it fits me. I love the riding position.
One of my 'runs' is 29 1/2 miles around Ruislip, Northwood, Maple Cross, Harefield, Ickenham, and return through Ruislip back to my place. It's a good general test and comparison as today I took the Kalkhoff round there. During the steepest climbs (Duck Hill Road towards Northwood) and over the river past the Coy Carp (for those who know the area) the Kalkhoff was much more nimble than the Wisper would have been. On the level bits it seemed to be slightly slower possibly due to the smart-ish cutoff of the motor around 15/16 mph. Downhill, though, the Kalkhoff was much quicker - much less drag (if any at all) due to the Panasonic system. I hit 39 mph going down Batchworth Hill and I'd only have managed around 35 on the Wisper.
There's an Alfine 8-speed hub gear on the Kalkhoff, which seems to complement the Panasonic system perfectly. Once you get the hang of it and have worked out exactly when to drop the power for a gear change it's the smoothest thing you can imagine. Also - a delight - you can change right through the box when stationary. After so many years of riding with derailleurs and getting into the habit of selecting your pull-away gear before you come to a stop, I've not used a hub gear since I was a kid (3-speed SA of course) and these modern roller-clutch jobs are a revelation.
There's so much to learn - almost every technique has to be re-jigged, but once you get it sorted it's wonderful. I didn't seriously consider a Panasonic system bike earlier because I was waiting for them to wake up and start manufacturing for the European market rather than the 'take it or leave it' approach which prevailed three years ago.
I was tired when I got back though - I was aware I'd been working at it, and the overall time and average speed (around 18mph) were about the same. I haven't been doing much riding over the past month so I guess I need to see how it feels after some more concentrated use.
Rog.
One disadvantage (the only one really) from my viewpoint is that it's a one-size option and it would better fit someone closer to six feet tall than I am - 5' 7" means that the handlebars are higher than I'd like although the frame shape does allow me to get a comfortable saddle height.
The Kalkhoff fits me - and feels like it fits me. I love the riding position.
One of my 'runs' is 29 1/2 miles around Ruislip, Northwood, Maple Cross, Harefield, Ickenham, and return through Ruislip back to my place. It's a good general test and comparison as today I took the Kalkhoff round there. During the steepest climbs (Duck Hill Road towards Northwood) and over the river past the Coy Carp (for those who know the area) the Kalkhoff was much more nimble than the Wisper would have been. On the level bits it seemed to be slightly slower possibly due to the smart-ish cutoff of the motor around 15/16 mph. Downhill, though, the Kalkhoff was much quicker - much less drag (if any at all) due to the Panasonic system. I hit 39 mph going down Batchworth Hill and I'd only have managed around 35 on the Wisper.
There's an Alfine 8-speed hub gear on the Kalkhoff, which seems to complement the Panasonic system perfectly. Once you get the hang of it and have worked out exactly when to drop the power for a gear change it's the smoothest thing you can imagine. Also - a delight - you can change right through the box when stationary. After so many years of riding with derailleurs and getting into the habit of selecting your pull-away gear before you come to a stop, I've not used a hub gear since I was a kid (3-speed SA of course) and these modern roller-clutch jobs are a revelation.
There's so much to learn - almost every technique has to be re-jigged, but once you get it sorted it's wonderful. I didn't seriously consider a Panasonic system bike earlier because I was waiting for them to wake up and start manufacturing for the European market rather than the 'take it or leave it' approach which prevailed three years ago.
I was tired when I got back though - I was aware I'd been working at it, and the overall time and average speed (around 18mph) were about the same. I haven't been doing much riding over the past month so I guess I need to see how it feels after some more concentrated use.
Rog.
Well, I thought you might enjoy a quick resume. It's ended up on the end of a completely unconnected thread, but as long as you've seen it that's fine!
Rog.
Rog.
How long did the battery last you. What's your new battery going to be
I have just bought alien what's best for keeping battery in good condition.i do 5 miles to work5 miles back would it be best to charge it after the10 miles or charge it 20 after2 days which will keep it better always topped up out letting it drain a bit thanks
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I have just bought alien what's best for keeping battery in good condition.i do 5 miles to work5 miles back would it be best to charge it after the10 miles or charge it 20 after2 days which will keep it better always topped up out letting it drain a bit thanks
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my battery lasted about 18months,originally I said 16 sorry. It is recommended to charge every time after use,but this might not be possible at work.I suppose it will be another 36v 10ah battery again.
Hi Rog.
I read your comments in post #9 as well as this one and I concur with your views on the Panasonic system. As for your W Middx run, I feel qualified to say I know the territory well as I lived in Ruislip for 5 years and Harefield 23 years. My early model, Panasonic-powered bike, (the low power variety) climbed every hill from the canal up to Harefield although I was always down to 2nd gear halfway up the one from Black Jack's Mill heading towards the Old Orchard. That hill is much steeper than Ducks Hill and probably tops Park Lane from the Coy Carp up to the village centre.
A lot of people think riding an electric bike is just cheating but using crank-drive over the sort of terrain around Harefield certainly never felt to me like I was cheating! Having read Tim Snaith's brief review of an Impulse-driven Kalkhoff bike, I'd really like to test one of those. Tim has to be biased but if it's anywhere near as good as he suggests in his appraisal, I think I might like it.
Indalo
I will check, but I believe the current situation to be ALL electric bike suppliers that sell more than 250kg of batteries a year (50-150 bikes depending on the battery) must have an end of life policy on their power packs and are legally obliged to offer a disposal method that is free of charge to the end user.
At Wisper we offer an incentive of a £50.00 discount on a new battery when the old one is returned for us to dispose of safely.
I have spoken to Sevenoaks D.C. today and they informed me that they would take any battery at the local "dump", but as Flecc says, they would prefer a label if pos. I would imagine this to be the same with most council "dumps" but best to check first that your local waste disposal site can handle them.
All the best David
At Wisper we offer an incentive of a £50.00 discount on a new battery when the old one is returned for us to dispose of safely.
I have spoken to Sevenoaks D.C. today and they informed me that they would take any battery at the local "dump", but as Flecc says, they would prefer a label if pos. I would imagine this to be the same with most council "dumps" but best to check first that your local waste disposal site can handle them.
All the best David
Gerry, I'm abroad at the moment so will drop you a PM over the weekend if not too jet lagged!
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