eZee Conversion kit

[Chief eZee Power]

We have so many new developments but unfortunately we ran into difficulties with our distributor Cyclepoint Ltd then and could not introduce these into UK earlier.

For those who still thinks and post here that we have a just a lump of battery with no consideration for placement, please take a look at our website http://www.ezeebike.com/NEW Battery.pdf

Booth carriers could have the battery locked into place.

We have started to sell these in USA ,Canada, Germany, Czech, South Africa and Isreal in 2009.

Beside these hard carriers we have some excellently designed semi-rigid bags/panniers.

On the electrical parts we have motors for 200, 250 and 300 rpm, in 20", 26" or 700c/28" complete with Schwalbe Marathon plus tyres or Big Apple.
AS to the motor, I don't know of any that give a better torque / weight ratio than eZee at this time. eZee motor hub covers are die cast and machined in Al alloy ADC 5 that has excellent corrosion resistant, and could be anodized, and we will have a black anodised version soon. We also have hub with 144 H if you wish to make a real fancy wheel.

We have front and rear wheel motors, both disc brake compatible ( 180 mm disc rotor or larger ) , we could also provide the disc. rotor and disc brake calipers - available models - Magura Julie, Shimano, Tektro - your choice.

For the rear wheel we have 9 Speed sprockets to go with it as option.

For the controller, because for the hobbyist nature who like to take things to the extreme, we have special controllers for high amps, and also takes up to 48V batteries.

For Batteries we have choice of ( ALL IN THE SAME CASING MADE WITH UL FLAME RESISTANT GRADE ABS ) :
Li+ polymer 37V 10Ah ( Advance )
LiFePO4 38V 8.5Ah ( Phostech cathode )
Li+ 18650 cells 37V10Ah , and 37V 14Ah, 48V 8Ah and 48V 10Ah (Samsung)

Anderson connectors for the power supply and 3 phase cores to the motor.

Battery gauge : standard eZee battery gauge , option for Cycle Analyst the most sophisticated instrumentation for the ebike in the world today.
www.ebikes.ca Homepage of the revolution

I also take the opportunity to announce here that we have very close co-operation with Renaissance Bicycle Co - Justin Lemire-Elmore www.ebikes.ca Homepage of the revolution
who has very graciously accepted an appointment as our Technical Director. We have in line some very awesome development and technical innovations in our drawing books.

Now really, those who are seriously looking for conversion kit please contact Onbike Ltd.

 

[eddieo]

I for one have never liked the battery placed high on rear rack or indeed the battery upright behind the seat which stretches the wheelbase. and just groaned when I saw the Titanium T1, another generic lookalike Chinese e bike........ where is the advantage? it still is a hefty bike weighing in at more then a wisper 905 or 906 with a price you seem reluctant to talk about

We can all learn from BionX I believe and there battery management, and Wisper have. There kit with choice of 2 battery capacity's is due late summer, delayed due to problems with case design.....

You criticised Van Nicholas, but they at least have the confidence to offer a lifetime warranty on their frames (replace not repair with original purchaser) a shame they don't build E bikes.....

While I see the equipment side of your bikes is probably better then most, Sorry but they are just one big yawn IMO, heavy moped style e bikes. Now if T1 was under 20kg with battery in frame I would probably get one as I am convinced by others more knowledgeable opinion as to how well your bikes perform......

 

[flecc]

Congratulations on this astonishing range of options for the eZee range, something many have been asking for over several years, it truly makes a custom bike available to suit the needs of many.

The appointment of Justin as a technical manager is a masterstroke since few are anywhere near as knowledgeable about e-bikes and their uses and potential as he is.
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[Chief eZee Power]

You know too little

I for one have never liked the battery placed high on rear rack or indeed the battery upright behind the seat which stretches the wheelbase. and just groaned when I saw the Titanium T1, another generic lookalike Chinese e bike........ where is the advantage? it still is a hefty bike weighing in at more then a wisper 905 or 906 with a price you seem reluctant to talk about

We can all learn from BionX I believe and there battery management, and Wisper have. There kit with choice of 2 battery capacity's is due late summer, delayed due to problems with case design.....

You criticised Van Nicholas, but they at least have the confidence to offer a lifetime warranty on their frames (replace not repair with original purchaser) a shame they don't build E bikes.....

While I see the equipment side of your bikes is probably better then most, Sorry but they are just one big yawn IMO, heavy moped style e bikes. Now if T1 was under 20kg with battery in frame I would probably get one as I am convinced by others more knowledgeable opinion as to how well your bikes perform......

Our arrangement for the battery at the rear carrier is best possible for a conversion kit, where else such large battery capacity could go on a normal bike ? The standard battery 37V 10Ah weighs 3.1 kgs, it is not going to affect the CG in any significant manner, and different weights of ride could be many times more and situated at a higher CG.

eZee bike with our battery behind the seat post increase the wheel base by 30 mm with our unique design which you don't know anything about, and the angle of the seat tube is such that for taller people extending the seat post extends the distance from the handle bar or head stem as well, making the fit automatic.

eZee bike has a shorted wheel base than Wisper which just slot the battery behind the seat post without any further consideration.

You are so obviously disturbed that you could not see anything nor appreciate anything we have, all you could do is groan. Wisper is indeed the generic chinese bike made by ACTIVE. It is not any different from the Freego Eagle selling for GPB 999 , yes standard chinese drive system with BaFang motor and controller and battery gauge unit package, low end Shimano Tourney gears and shifters that try to be pass off as Alivio.

I would like someone to let me know what the exact weight of the Wisper is with battery and without battery before I deal with this issue.

I know far more about the Bionx than you. I have been talking with them since 2001 when their bikes they made were called Amigo, and that failed and they turned to selling the drive system. I have evaluated and tested and stripped and examined every detail of the Bionx the latest version together with Justin, and just what do you know.

What battery management does Wisper have ? , just the basic hardware for your BMS, eZee have the O2micro.

I did not criticised Van Nickolas, I just tear you down when you try to show there is another better way of getting a titanium bike and add a conversion kit. What I have written on the tread is just FACT. They can't make the Titanium front fork that I need, and the frame design that I have. Oh ! I might as well just add that you don't know anything else about that Van Nicholas bike, you can't possibly fit mudguard on it, and neither you could fit a city bike rear carrier , nor could you fit a front basket. I would expect my well off customer riding his T1 to get all dirty and muddy if there was a little rain. And for your information every component on the T1 is carefully thought out and arrange over the past 3 years. The SKF stainless steel bearing with special water proofing arrangements, the Titanium sprockets, the Aero-spokes with Sandvik stainless steel and various many options that will be customised for the customer. Every little detail is taken care of, down to the cover for the tyre nipple.

There is also the option for the 28 Ah battery set up, and the reality of the 100 miles range. Yes, we will offer 3 years warranty on the battery for eZee Torq T1 and for every mechanical and electrical parts, and life time warranty on every other Titanium parts including the frame.

Oh, there is one more thing that I would like to inform all people who think of getting the Wisper Albino or Alfino , be careful of being short changed. There is only the Shimano Alfine hub and shifter. On eZee Torq Alfine option we give the full Alfine set up with with front and rear Alfine hydraulic brakes.

Eddieo, Please go ahead yawn and then groan again, but louder this time around.

Yours truly,
Chief eZee Operator

 

[eddieo]

Eddieo, Please go ahead yawn and then groan again, but louder this time around.

Yours truly,
Chief eZee Operator

If you insist! lol

In your defensive rush to pillar me you seem to have skated over the fact that I ended my post saying your bikes where probably the best performers and I would probably get one if it was not for reservations regards the design and weight.

Again what is the point of all the high tech kit and equipment if you end up with a heavy and now expensive (how much again?) moped like e bike. as at the end of the day if I cant pick the thing up to put in the garage of my motorhome I will remain entirely unimpressed.....

as for your relationship with the Californian company do you think selling pairs of defective batteries does much for your reputation? Probably reinforces doubt regards your ability to produce trustworthy battery's....true or not, irrelevant IMO

Dual eZee Battery Sale

Dual_Li_Packs

"We have numerous eZee lithium batteries from 2009 that are delivering on our test station more like 8-8.5 Ah instead of the 9-9.5 Ah that we normally expect. In some cases it is just a small cell balancing issue, while in other instances it is more of an intrinsic cell capacity problem. However, with so much we want to do this year, we don't have the time to go through and try and tweak all of these batteries. So instead we are offering these packs in pairs at a great combo price of $795 CAD or $750 USD for those who want an extra range kit at a good deal. You'll get two lithium battery packs and bags that can hang on either side of your rear rack, a 2A battery charger, and a 'Y' splitter cable that will let you combine the two batteries into a single controller. The combined capacity is about 17 Ah, good for a solid 60+km range, and with the current shared between the pair of packs, it is OK to run this battery combo with high current 35A or 40A controllers.
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what is the warranty on these I wonder......Maybe some of your UK customers with duff batteries would like some. more duff batteries...the mind boggles!

Just to help you out when you get back to the drawing board. I just up ended both our 905 SE and 705SE on digital bathroom scales...Now, while I admit this is not reliable or scientific, the 905 city was 24 .6kg and 705 24kg (both complete with 14 amp battery's)

One more thing (for now) There are a number of ezee bikes on ebay and some sold recently.....They do not fair well I am afraid, needing repeated advertising, and struggle to make reasonable money. Most struggle to make half the price of a wisper 905. and nearly all require a new battery.......surely this cannot be good, life is tough, and you get the reputation you earn.

I am an enthusiastic beginner not very interested in the technical side of things and rely on the opinions and experience of others in this regard...... I just expect things I purchase to be reliable and work, and I dont like your snipping and cheap shots at others hence this reply.

 

[alex_h]

Hi Chief,

You have to chill out with Eddie. he is a nice chap but indeed is knocking everything that is not called Wisper. That is just my observation. Personally I support Ezee bikes because I can see a quality in them and quality parts fitted unlike Wisper loaded with full **** loads of cheap parts and sold for the little fortune.

Eddie, I think you should respect more those who design things and produce bikes. By being rude to the you are not helping them at all and rather discourage them from posting.

We all know that Ezee are the quality bikes so why making that fuss about???

 

[jkirkebo]

I for one have never liked the battery placed high on rear rack or indeed the battery upright behind the seat which stretches the wheelbase.

Why don't you like the stretched wheelbase ? It's one of Ezee's best features I think. I have two reasons for saying that:

Braking. I have fitted very powerful hydraulic disc brakes (Avid Code 5 w/4-piston calipers & 185mm discs) to my Ezee Forza. On a regular bike, you would run the risk of getting thrown over the handlebars as the bike would tip forward if you brake hard enough. Not so on the Forza, I can brake from 50kph/30mph to 0 in 5 meters/15 feet without the rear wheel lifting because of the long wheelbase. In short, excellent stopping power which could someday save me from an accident.

Bags on the rear carrier. There is no problem at all with your heel hitting the bags because of short distance.

 

[eddieo]

Hi Alex, If so convinced why dont you buy one? lots on ebay!

it is a shame you cant extend the same courtesy to David and wisper as you expect me to do with Ezee.. your constant "wisper r ****" comments are a bit of... I make allowances, as I presume English is not your first language. but come on! lol

You are right I like Wisper based entirely on real life experience? with excellent backup and support? I am not blind or stupid though and after the best bike available irrespective of manufacturer.

nearly bought a second hand Optibike this weekend, so open to any high end bike....but the guy could not answer simple questions, so staying away from that one!

I don't want a bike like the T1 or the 906 for that matter, because of where the battery is and weight. The first reasonable priced quality bike with in frame battery will get my money (not BionX unfortunately as to expensive)

David could of played dumb re 1006 and I would have probably bought the 906 as I had intended to do. But being a decent and upfront chap, he leaked enough for me to figure the 1006 worth waiting for. The 905 I just bought will be easy to sell on next year....and that is the name of the game. I can sell it with 1 year warranty insuring a decent resale value. I am keen on wisper for sound reasons along with many others

 

[jkirkebo]

For the controller, because for the hobbyist nature who like to take things to the extreme, we have special controllers for high amps, and also takes up to 48V batteries.

For Batteries we have choice of ( ALL IN THE SAME CASING MADE WITH UL FLAME RESISTANT GRADE ABS ) :
Li+ polymer 37V 10Ah ( Advance )
LiFePO4 38V 8.5Ah ( Phostech cathode )
Li+ 18650 cells 37V10Ah , and 37V 14Ah, 48V 8Ah and 48V 10Ah (Samsung)

I'm very interested in the new controller and batteries, but have some questions:

Does the new batteries also fit behind the seat post of Ezee bikes ?
Do the new controller fit on original Ezee bikes ?
Can I upgrade my US version Forza (350W) to the new controller and 48V battery, and still connect the Cycle Analyst (CA-DP) and pedelec sensor ?
Will the old 37V battery still work with the new controller, though obviously at a lower speed ?
Will the rear LED light die at 48V ? It works fine at 44.2V and I have already swapped the front for a 30W HID with DC-DC converter which takes at least 60V.

I run a modified Ezee controller from ebikes.ca now and a 7.2V booster pack in the saddle bag (800W peak), but an integrated solution would be nice and I'm already contemplating buying a second battery for extended range so it would be nice to get a 48V one.

 

[alex_h]

Hi Alex, If so convinced why dont you buy one? lots on ebay!

it is a shame you cant extend the same courtesy to David and wisper as you expect me to do with Ezee.. your constant "wisper r ****" comments are a bit of... I make allowances, as I presume English is not your first language. but come on! lol

Lol, Yes you are precisely right and that's what I intend to do Eddie. I plan to go to Prestigne and try all of them. I would like to try the new Alpino, Forza and kalkhoff bikes as well. Based on that I will make my final decision however the Forza is so far my number one.

Regarding my sypmathy to David I already told him what sucks in his bikes. I hope he took a note of that and from the next year I will see the decent brakes and forks on his bikes.

I also presume you are wrong Eddie, I'm born 'n bread in Manchester and Man United is my team Have to admit not to be the best with spelling when I type fast so p... off

best regards

Alex

P.S I see the voting for labour is the only thing we agree so far Eddie.

 

[Andy_82]

The Ezee range looks like its a decent brand. The bikes are well equipped and for a reasonable price. It's a shame these are not available for the dealers. I think these would really sell well in london so it's shame we can not have these our electric bike shed.

 

[Chief eZee Power]

I'm very interested in the new controller and batteries, but have some questions:

Does the new batteries also fit behind the seat post of Ezee bikes ?
Do the new controller fit on original Ezee bikes ?
Can I upgrade my US version Forza (350W) to the new controller and 48V battery, and still connect the Cycle Analyst (CA-DP) and pedelec sensor ?
Will the old 37V battery still work with the new controller, though obviously at a lower speed ?
Will the rear LED light die at 48V ? It works fine at 44.2V and I have already swapped the front for a 30W HID with DC-DC converter which takes at least 60V.

I run a modified Ezee controller from ebikes.ca now and a 7.2V booster pack in the saddle bag (800W peak), but an integrated solution would be nice and I'm already contemplating buying a second battery for extended range so it would be nice to get a 48V one.

The Batteries that are also available with the casing behind the seat post are :
37V 10Ah , 37V 14 Ah Li+ Polymer , and 37V10Ah Li+ 18650 samsung cells.
We could also have 48V for this but it is not in production yet. The whole process is not so simple as it seems. Beside being able to arrange the cells in the box, we have to design the BMS circuit that will fit, and then lots of testings including vibration tests and drop tests and etc.

The new controller could take anything from 24V to 48V nominal battery packs. You might to wait a little bit until we have the 48V battery in your battery type. The new controller would not make any speed difference vs the 37V battery and controller, another word the speed would be the same for a given battery for either controller type.

The LED light would work fine with the 48V pack.

Chief eZee Operator

 

[Chief eZee Power]

Hurting more than cheap shots

If you insist! lol

In your defensive rush to pillar me you seem to have skated over the fact that I ended my post saying your bikes where probably the best performers and I would probably get one if it was not for reservations regards the design and weight.

Again what is the point of all the high tech kit and equipment if you end up with a heavy and now expensive (how much again?) moped like e bike. as at the end of the day if I cant pick the thing up to put in the garage of my motorhome I will remain entirely unimpressed.....

as for your relationship with the Californian company do you think selling pairs of defective batteries does much for your reputation? Probably reinforces doubt regards your ability to produce trustworthy battery's....true or not, irrelevant IMO

Dual eZee Battery Sale

Dual_Li_Packs

"We have numerous eZee lithium batteries from 2009 that are delivering on our test station more like 8-8.5 Ah instead of the 9-9.5 Ah that we normally expect. In some cases it is just a small cell balancing issue, while in other instances it is more of an intrinsic cell capacity problem. However, with so much we want to do this year, we don't have the time to go through and try and tweak all of these batteries. So instead we are offering these packs in pairs at a great combo price of $795 CAD or $750 USD for those who want an extra range kit at a good deal. You'll get two lithium battery packs and bags that can hang on either side of your rear rack, a 2A battery charger, and a 'Y' splitter cable that will let you combine the two batteries into a single controller. The combined capacity is about 17 Ah, good for a solid 60+km range, and with the current shared between the pair of packs, it is OK to run this battery combo with high current 35A or 40A controllers.
[/B][/I][/SIZE]

what is the warranty on these I wonder......Maybe some of your UK customers with duff batteries would like some. more duff batteries...the mind boggles!

Just to help you out when you get back to the drawing board. I just up ended both our 905 SE and 705SE on digital bathroom scales...Now, while I admit this is not reliable or scientific, the 905 city was 24 .6kg and 705 24kg (both complete with 14 amp battery's)

One more thing (for now) There are a number of ezee bikes on ebay and some sold recently.....They do not fair well I am afraid, needing repeated advertising, and struggle to make reasonable money. Most struggle to make half the price of a wisper 905. and nearly all require a new battery.......surely this cannot be good, life is tough, and you get the reputation you earn.

I am an enthusiastic beginner not very interested in the technical side of things and rely on the opinions and experience of others in this regard...... I just expect things I purchase to be reliable and work, and I dont like your snipping and cheap shots at others hence this reply.

Point 1, Who are you trying to kid with your 1st para. ?

Point 2, the Torq T1 is definitely not for you. And I just simply don't understand what is this gripe about the T1 being moped ?

Point 3, what you picked up and showed here in bold red from www.ebikes.ca Homepage of the revolution is NOT a CALIFORNIAN company, but CANADA for Ca. And let me tell all the readers here the battery in question are the PHYLION batteries that we have given up on as announce in my earlier threads. I should ask Justin to clarify that in his website.

Point 4, the cheap eZee sales in ebay is done by Rhys Mortimer who has to close his business at Cyclepoint Ltd, and who has not paid me for those bikes. Well, at least someone in UK could pick up a fantastic deal at my expense.

Point 5. The issue of weight is important but it is not in anyway as critical for ebikes or pedelec. It would make a great difference for Lance Armstrong or their type where a second difference would mean being a multi millionaire sportsman or one who could not pay for a new pair of shoes. When one purchase a BMW motor cycle he would not try to lift it and be concerned about the weight.

I design and produce the T1 it is NOT ONLT with weight in mind, but in anycase it weighs 2 kgs lighter than the standard Al alloy Torq. We are not skimping on tube thickness, we prefer our bikes to be of the the most robust design.

Let me tell you an example of a simple part, the handle bar, one that will pass the stringent and severe EN 14764 test would require it be much higher wall thickness, and therefore weighs more. For exactly the same model handle bar from the same supplier , we have to pay for a heavier and naturally higher price for one that passes EN 14764 , not the cheap low weight. Readers therefore could guess what you get on the low weight bikes.

In the years past, many bike manufacturers has been chasing low weight at the expense of structural integrity and robustness.

We don't use cheap light plastics mudguard like for those 100$ mountain bikes you get on the Wisper . We have full city bike mudguard with stainless steel supports.

Point 6. I don't make cheap shots at others like you in fact, who has no knowledge of bike design nor manufacturing. What I state here and in the previous thread are just FACTS, sometimes this hurts more than cheap shot.

Yours truly,
Chief eZee Operator

 

[jkirkebo]

The Batteries that are also available with the casing behind the seat post are :
37V 10Ah , 37V 14 Ah Li+ Polymer , and 37V10Ah Li+ 18650 samsung cells.
We could also have 48V for this but it is not in production yet. The whole process is not so simple as it seems. Beside being able to arrange the cells in the box, we have to design the BMS circuit that will fit, and then lots of testings including vibration tests and drop tests and etc.

The new controller could take anything from 24V to 48V nominal battery packs. You might to wait a little bit until we have the 48V battery in your battery type. The new controller would not make any speed difference vs the 37V battery and controller, another word the speed would be the same for a given battery for either controller type.

The LED light would work fine with the 48V pack.

Chief eZee Operator

Excellent info, thanks!

I will wait for the 48V battery to be available for my bike then.

 

[eddieo]

Enough, I am not going around in circles........ . How much is the T1 again? Oh only available by secret message? lol What a pathetic business model! lol

I think you are caught up in the detail and missing the bigger picture and probably not "getting" what people really want from an E Bike?

Reliability, Convenient distribution, local backup from local partners for a start.

Plus robust resale values, only achievable with a decent reputation if you achieve all of the above.

Some of us also like to be able to pick the bikes up as well without sustaining physical injury.

So while you and your partners try to split the cake 2 ways this will never happen I guess....

as for the batteries bit on my last post? I followed your link and copied comments directly from there what are you talking about? you really need to keep your eye on the ball Just read Jeronimo's ezee ownership experience, Shakespearean in its tragedy........

The T1 may be titanium and smothered with all the latest expensive gizmos and cost a packet...I dont give a toss? as I would not touch such a jaded looking generic chinese style e bike with a barge pole. Particularly one with such a poor reputation for reliability

THE END

See I did that without mentioning the Wisper word once

 

[flecc]

Some of us also like to be able to pick the bikes up as well without sustaining physical injury.

C'mon Eddie, enough surely? There's no meaningful difference in the weight of eZee and Wisper models, type for type, and at least eZee quote their weights. Wisper don't have any weights on their website specs.

Just read Jeronimo's ezee ownership experience, Shakespearean in its tragedy........

Then read my reply to him.

Particularly one with such a poor reputation for reliability

Reputations are from history, and as Henry Ford said, "History is bunkum". It's what the bikes are like now that matters when buying, in which respect eZee are right up there with the best there is.

Meanwhile I continue to ride my August 2006 eZee model which has never let me down once, even it's original NiMh battery lasting over three years and still working ok, just shorter range now.
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[eddieo]

I agree, But this arrogant navel obsessed guy is winding me up? while he continues to punch I will punch back thanks!

example: he compares his bike to a BMW motorbike (stop chuckling in the back row) Then goes on to say no one complains that you cant lift them of the ground! now I mean, is this man fully in control of his faculties or what! lol

I don't see your reply re Jeronimo as relevant to individual consumer grievance, and a little insulting to someone who has obviously thrown good money after bad.......

reputation has to be earned. You cant just draw a line, say OK a new beginning! and leave lots of unhappy owners high and dry....No one is stupid enough to be convinced by that! Hence the poor value of resale ezee bikes great if after spares I guess

its obvious you like the bikes and have a relationship that goes back with ezee which is fair enough......But obviously I am far from convinced. If you both leave me alone I will stop.

wisper quote weights for models on the website I have seen.....

 

[flecc]

I agree, But this arrogant navel obsessed guy is winding me up? while he continues to punch I will punch back thanks!

There are cultural differences in the way people express themselves Eddie. Oriental people are often very "direct" when they perceive they've been unfairly slighted, and I make allowances for that.

Believe me, Wai Won Ching is very nice person who it's a pleasure to meet.

Do you have a link for that other Wisper website? I'm losing track with all the changes they've had, wisperbike.co.uk, kellsoft, now electricbike.tv on their latest site. It doesn't help that electricbikes.tv is Sustain Cycles!
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[Alex728]

I can see why Mr Ching's method of debate is viewed as abrasive, as it is rather like being scolded by my late father! This is perhaps not surprising given their common ancestry - both are Chinese who grew up in Malaya during the post war era... So in my case there is absolutely no chance of me being "prejudiced against Chinese or the quality of products from Asia"

Ezee bikes are indeed good bikes but it will take a lot of recovery to deal with customer service issues regarding the batteries/controllers/problems such as water ingress (has this been addressed?)

Wisper weren't immune to them either (I remember issues with wheels/rims and brakes) but the product has been improved in two years. Through no fault of Mr Ching, until onbike came along the UK support has been neglected.

BTW Wisper also replace all the bolts with stainless steel ones, which begs the question, why don't both companies insist on these first time round? It must be really a boring job for the poor Chinese dude who has to replace them, and hardly efficient, pushing up labour costs surely?

I do respect what flecc says about the quality of these bikes but he is also a engineering genius with a large workshop and lots of time on his hands so has time to iron out the problems, he has virtually rebuilt his... I don't have the time or knowledge to do stuff like that!

TBH if Ezee had at least some other dealers (for instance Andy who is in London but previously said he would be willing to deliver a bike within 100 miles which just about covers some bits of East Anglia) I think they would make more sales.

I understand the mission statement of Ezee is "treat the Earth well". This I agree with, and I use an ebike as a substitute for a car or petrol-powered moped, so I need a reliable one where parts can be sourced with minimum downtime..

 

[Alex728]

There are cultural differences in the way people express themselves Eddie. Oriental people are often very "direct" when they perceive they've been unfairly slighted, and I make allowances for that.

Face (sociological concept) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Also this is very applicable to Chinese from SE Asia as life in Malaysia and Singapore is very competitive..

Kiasu - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia