eZee Conversion kit

[flecc]

I do respect what flecc says about the quality of these bikes but he is also a engineering genius with a large workshop and lots of time on his hands so has time to iron out the problems, he has virtually rebuilt his... I don't have the time or knowledge to do stuff like that!

Have a look at this reply from May 2007 regarding my Q-bike conversion!

With limited facilities
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[eddieo]

There are cultural differences in the way people express themselves Eddie. Oriental people are often very "direct" when they perceive they've been unfairly slighted, and I make allowances for that.

Believe me, Wai Won Ching is very nice person who it's a pleasure to meet.

Do you have a link for that other Wisper website? I'm losing track with all the changes they've had, wisperbike.co.uk, kellsoft, now electricbike.tv on their latest site. It doesn't help that electricbikes.tv is Sustain Cycles!
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Just back from our extended trip to Thailand (2 weeks turned into a month due to volcano.....it was hell! lol) and I have to say the people where delightful! not one hiccup apart from maybe being pestered on one beach on a boat trip, while that was annoying it was all good natured

I just follow link on here, select individual models, scroll down, and spec there including weight? my test showed 905 to be correct but 705 out by less then 1 kg but I have a long cable lock through battery and seat and frame so a bit less then that.....so claimed weights spot on I think.

 

[Alex728]

Just back from our extended trip to Thailand (2 weeks turned into a month due to volcano.....it was hell! lol) and I have to say the people where delightful! not one hiccup apart from maybe being pestered on one beach on a boat trip, while that was annoying it was all good natured

Thailand, Malaysia and Singapore might all be in the same bit of the world but the different groups of people can be worlds apart, same as Cockneys, Northerners and Scots are all different.. Thailand is very economically dependent on tourism from older folk in the UK so they will be pleasant (also they are more respectful). Also they would want to distract your attention from and compensate for the civil war in other parts of that nation ...

 

[eddieo]

Thailand, Malaysia and Singapore might all be in the same bit of the world but the different groups of people can be worlds apart, same as Cockneys, Northerners and Scots are all different.. Thailand is very economically dependent on tourism from older folk in the UK so they will be pleasant (also they are more respectful). Also they would want to distract your attention from and compensate for the civil war in other parts of that nation ...

My daughter (18 year old student on gap year ) is still in the region. she has been to Thailand Laos Vietnam Malaysia and has left Kula Lunper today for Bali. Odd that I worry about her more in Croydon on a Saturday night.....with the exception of Bali that is

while I appreciate all you say and I realise we head for touristy areas and the reception in burma could be different I am experienced enough I think to know when people are genuine or not

 

[Alex728]

Actually Indonesia is no worse than the rest of the nations in that region. The bombers/terrorists have mostly been dealt with and pose no more threat than here in Blighty. In the current climate, I would much rather visit (and feel safer in) Bali than Croydon! (and I was born in South London )

Burma/Myanmar is even trying to calm down the outward appearance and behaviour of the military junta in charge (well they are wearing normal civillian suits instead of their military uniform)

people in SE Asia are genuine and kind-hearted but they still will want to distract you from all the bad news of poverty, terrorism and racial discrimination which is a big problem. Thais tend to have a civil conflict every six months or so without too much upheaval, but the current war (where people are actually shooting each other which is rare!) will be seen as a great embarrasment if anything to the people in view of Western visitors so they will compensate for it by being even nicer. it is not a threat to you or your family, but the locals will want to reassure you that is the case.

For some races that is what "keeping face" is all about. it is where the (outdated) stereotype of "inscrutable Orientals" used to come from.

In other cases, in a more competitive situaion where money and reputations ("face" again!) are at stake, people from SE Asia will try and overlook bad points of their behaviour or business, and passionately defend their stance whilst trying to highlight the shortcomings of competitors, which is what Mr Ching is doing.

 

[flecc]

My daughter - - - - has been to Thailand Laos Vietnam Malaysia - - - - Odd that I worry about her more in Croydon on a Saturday night.....

As a Croydon Borough resident I certainly agree with that Eddie.
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[eddieo]

Yes poverty.....nothing like India where we visited last year. Maybe they hide it better. Many beggars in Bangkok though, including these charming street kids, which my wife wanted to take home (her pictured) notice the lack of tomato ketchup on bandage.....probably an oversight They give you a cuddle and relieve you of you wallet ...But in the most charming of ways! lol

The sad thing is while tourists continue to give them money the parents will keep them on the street instead of going to school

Oops! just realised you cant see bandage in this one

 

[flecc]

I just follow link on here, select individual models, scroll down, and spec there including weight? my test showed 905 to be correct but 705 out by less then 1 kg but I have a long cable lock through battery and seat and frame so a bit less then that.....so claimed weights spot on I think.

Thanks Eddie, I wasn't challenging Wisper weights though, just pointing out that the eZee models are not especially heavy:

905se City with 14 Ah, 7 speeds, propstand and normal tyres = 24.65 kilos.

Forza with 14 Ah, 9 speeds, twin leg stand and Marathon Plus tyres = 26 kilos.

Difference 1.35 kilos, less some weight for those extra items, hardly leaves the eZee too heavy, especially as it's considerably more powerful.
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[Alex728]

Yes poverty.....nothing like India where we visited last year. Maybe they hide it better.

Exactly. Thats yet another aspect of "face". Beggars/squatters in SE Asian countries are tolerated to an extent but every so often rounded up to show a "better image" to foreign visitors (and reduce the number of reports to cops/insurance claims). The methods used are not particularly pleasant!

Is your wife Indian? My mums side of the family are Tamil Indians, they did not approve of my dad meeting my mum but he was stubborn like Mr Ching and encouraged his fiancée to migrate to England, which is why I was born in 1972 in Lewisham

 

[eddieo]

Exactly. Thats yet another aspect of "face". Beggars/squatters in SE Asian countries are tolerated to an extent but every so often rounded up to show a "better image" to foreign visitors (and reduce the number of reports to cops/insurance claims). The methods used are not particularly pleasant!

Is your wife Indian? My mums side of the family are Tamil Indians, they did not approve of my dad meeting my mum but he was stubborn like Mr Ching and encouraged his fiancée to migrate to England, which is why I was born in 1972 in Lewisham

Yes Kenyan Asian

I was actually shocked on one occasion in Bangkok, It was night and walking along busy narrow alley when I looked down and guy crawling towards me on his belly, clutching a beggars cup. he had one and a half legs...Now that did unnerve me! I was so surprised he got nothing as I was of!

 

[eddieo]

Hi Eddieo

I can assure you your daughter is in the safest place out of the countries you mention. I lived there for over 5 years.

The Indonesian people are some of the nicest people you would ever meet.

When 9/11 happened I remember living in Bali thinking it was the safest place on earth and lucky to be in such an environment. Even after the recent terrorist attack in both London and Bali I know which place I would rather be.

Maybe you should get on a plane to make sure she is OK


Cheers

Scott

if only! she would kill me if I turned up cramping her style!. She is having the time of her life! Daughter in red (labour suporter thankfully! ) yesterday at Petronis towers Kuala Lumpur

we all have Blackberry's so messaging brilliant for keeping in touch and quick pictures AND calls via skype on her I Pod if she has wi fi access. technology is amazing these days.

 

[Wisper Bikes]

eZee bike has a shorted wheel base than Wisper which just slot the battery behind the seat post without any further consideration.

You are so obviously disturbed that you could not see anything nor appreciate anything we have, all you could do is groan. Wisper is indeed the generic chinese bike made by ACTIVE. It is not any different from the Freego Eagle selling for GPB 999 , yes standard chinese drive system with BaFang motor and controller and battery gauge unit package, low end Shimano Tourney gears and shifters that try to be pass off as Alivio.

I would like someone to let me know what the exact weight of the Wisper is with battery and without battery before I deal with this issue.

I know far more about the Bionx than you. I have been talking with them since 2001 when their bikes they made were called Amigo, and that failed and they turned to selling the drive system. I have evaluated and tested and stripped and examined every detail of the Bionx the latest version together with Justin, and just what do you know.

What battery management does Wisper have ? , just the basic hardware for your BMS, eZee have the O2micro.

I did not criticised Van Nickolas, I just tear you down when you try to show there is another better way of getting a titanium bike and add a conversion kit. What I have written on the tread is just FACT. They can't make the Titanium front fork that I need, and the frame design that I have. Oh ! I might as well just add that you don't know anything else about that Van Nicholas bike, you can't possibly fit mudguard on it, and neither you could fit a city bike rear carrier , nor could you fit a front basket. I would expect my well off customer riding his T1 to get all dirty and muddy if there was a little rain. And for your information every component on the T1 is carefully thought out and arrange over the past 3 years. The SKF stainless steel bearing with special water proofing arrangements, the Titanium sprockets, the Aero-spokes with Sandvik stainless steel and various many options that will be customised for the customer. Every little detail is taken care of, down to the cover for the tyre nipple.

Oh, there is one more thing that I would like to inform all people who think of getting the Wisper Albino or Alfino , be careful of being short changed. There is only the Shimano Alfine hub and shifter. On eZee Torq Alfine option we give the full Alfine set up with with front and rear Alfine hydraulic brakes.

Yours truly,
Chief eZee Operator

Wow! Easy tiger!

We may have knocked you guys off your perch and I understand you must be a bit miffed but there is no need to make such badly thought through statements about Wisper Bionix and anyone else in your rada!

I was going to answer all your points in turn but quite honestly they are not worth the time.

A little bit of advice; I realise we are competitors and you are obviously very young but rather than making up silly unfounded statements, knocking our products why not concentrate on telling people about how good your bikes are?

Best of luck, I really hope you do well.

David

 

[Chief eZee Power]

Just Facts

A little bit of advice; I realise we are competitors and you are obviously very young but rather than making up silly unfounded statements, knocking our products why not concentrate on telling people about how good your bikes are?


David[/QUOTE]

Yes, by Chinese standards, 60s are still considered youth. My father from Singapore is visiting me now in Shanghai and he wants to see the World Expo, 98 years old, no walking stick nor wheelchair needed, and my children are 31 and 30 and 6.

What I have posted here are facts, and not silly unfounded statements.

 

[Wisper Bikes]

You should know better

Dear Big Chief Ezee Bikes

If you do have the advantage of age you should know better.

I will resist knocking your product, but please grow up. You know you are simply lashing out with badly researched nonsense to try and increase sales for the flagging Ezee range.

Best regards

David

 

[jkirkebo]

I took a look at the Whisper 905se City S just now to compare it to my Ezee Forza. I'm not impressed to say the least.

7 speed Alivio on a flag-ship e-bike ? And rear V-brakes ? Ugh.

The Forza, which is cheaper, has 9 speed Deore and rear disc brakes.

The 906xc has 8 speeds (with too wide a range IMHO) and rear discs. But it also costs twice as much. For that price it should have top-level hydralic disc brakes, not cheap mechanical ones...

 

[HarryB]

I took a look at the Whisper 905se City S just now to compare it to my Ezee Forza. I'm not impressed to say the least.

7 speed Alivio on a flag-ship e-bike ? And rear V-brakes ? Ugh.

The Forza, which is cheaper, has 9 speed Deore and rear disc brakes.

The 906xc has 8 speeds (with too wide a range IMHO) and rear discs. But it also costs twice as much. For that price it should have top-level hydralic disc brakes, not cheap mechanical ones...

The Wisper xc has the top of the range Alfine - are you really critical of that? David recognises that the xc should have hydraulics as discussed on a previous thread. The next batch of xc willl have hydraulics or you can have the option of an upgrade when then become available (the problem is lack of cut-outs on the levers). We can all be critical of the different specifications of ebikes - I would single out the roller brake on the Torq I/II as not being up to the job on a £1450 bike or the lack of a 2 year warranty....

 

[Wisper Bikes]

I took a look at the Whisper 905se City S just now to compare it to my Ezee Forza. I'm not impressed to say the least.

7 speed Alivio on a flag-ship e-bike ? And rear V-brakes ? Ugh.

The Forza, which is cheaper, has 9 speed Deore and rear disc brakes.

The 906xc has 8 speeds (with too wide a range IMHO) and rear discs. But it also costs twice as much. For that price it should have top-level hydralic disc brakes, not cheap mechanical ones...

Hiya jkirkebo

All our bikes have the best mechanical brakes available with the electronic cut off. All new XC's and Alpino's have the new Tektro hydraulic electric bike brakes, there is an upgrade available to those who already have these bikes for a mere £50.00. We have been testing the new hydraulic brakes for 3 months now and are completely satisfied they are superb. We were not going to put them on our bikes untested.

FYI, all our flagship bikes have the the Alfine 8 hub gear set up (£300 retail) massively superior in every respect to the Deor! The rear discs are also Alfine so all in all not even in the same league.

I am not knocking the Ezee it's a good bike for the money, and some people do preffer them to Wisper's, there is no accounting for taste .

IMHO the range on the Alfine gear box is amazing at one end you can go up the side of a barn and at the other you can gently pedal along at a very low cadence at 25kph .... brilliant. We are now testing a hub with a 360% range which is even better! In fact perfect for electric bikes.

All the best

David

 

[jkirkebo]

Hiya jkirkebo
I am not knocking the Ezee it's a good bike for the money, and some people do preffer them to Wisper's, there is no accounting for taste .

IMHO the range on the Alfine gear box is amazing at one end you can go up the side of a barn and at the other you can gently pedal along at a very low cadence at 25kph .... brilliant. We are now testing a hub with a 360% range which is even better! In fact perfect for electric bikes.

David

Yes, taste is obviously different

I vastly prefer closely spaced ratios, 8 speeds on 300% is not verly closely spaced. 360% would be even worse.

I run Ultegra 12-27 cassettes on both my bikes. 9 speeds on 225% is just about perfect IMHO. The very low gears are seldom needed on electric bikes, I usually only use 3rd to 9th on the 12-27. I'm actually considering a 12-25 next time.

You don't have any choice with the Alfine shifters, set gear ratio and trigger shifters. With a rear cassette I can choose from a wide range of gears and shifters. I use the SRAM X.9 grip shifters because the 1:1 wire pull is superior in winter (together with Avid Flak Jackets) and grip-shifters are much easier to operate with thick alpine mittens on in -20C weather.

Basically, I want a bike with standard parts that are easily customisable. For that reason the Torq was not an option (I agree, the roller brake really sucks and I need 26" wheels), while the Forza was spot on. Not a single problem so far while doing 1500 miles the first winter.

It's good to hear the hydraulic brakes are forthcoming though. They are vastly superior, one has to try them to really appreciate the difference. And brakes are IMHO the single most important parts on a bike.

If I should knock the Forza for one thing it would be the small frame combined with unusual seatpost size (25.4mm) which meant I needed to order a custom seat post (I have LONG legs) for proper position. I needed at least 440mm and could not get a bigger one than 400mm. Now I have a 500mm titanium one which should last forever
But in winter the small frame is a advantage if one should run into trouble on ice
Also standard Marathon Plus tyres is way too small and uncomfortable, happily my LBS exchanged them for Big Apples (2.35") for a small fee.

 

[vhfman]

David
I wonder if that new 360% hub you are testing is the Nuvinci N360 CVP/CVT Fallbrook Technologies Inc. ? The old hub which I think has been around for a couple of years never really got mainstream interest. I gather the new hub is lighter and also has the extra range over its predecessor, may be more appealing. The Idea of continuously variable drivetrain could be very nice on an electric bike, but would only work with front hub or crank drive through chain or belt system.
I will have to keep an eye on developments.

Vhfman

 

[flecc]

David

I wonder if that new 360% hub you are testing is the Nuvinci N360 CVP/CVT Fallbrook Technologies Inc. ?

Vhfman

Or the new Shimano 11 speed hub gear perhaps?
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