Haibike's - What do you think?
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small niche market for these bikes and excellent service essential for this type of bike which will get hard use off road. full sus is the outstanding bike here. must ensure supply and backup parts. also offer 0% interest and px along with fully made up free delivery and you will sell some for sure as there is no comparable bike currently available in uk...........(i know there is currently a dealer in uk but supply seems to be a major issue from posts on the forum).........good luck if you can secure a good supply chain.....
Cakey - Hopefully we can arrange this for you in the new year?
What made your mind up about wanting this model in particular?
Dave - Thanks for your feedback, I think we could just about tick every box in your post!
We are already established with the higher end of the electric bike market, and I hope we can push our excellent customer service across to the Haibike's.
I was looking for a high end full sus mountain bike.
I have a 7 bikes at the moment and a few are illegal off road monsters . 850 w and 1200 w and are quite heavy. Never liked rear hubs for off road , too unwieldy .
My optibike was crank drive and lasted 5 years with over 50k on it. A new one is $16000. Also it is very difficult when opti are in Colorado and you need support or parts.
My storck cosworth is rear hub but hardtail.
Would like a legal top end full sus as I do ride hard.
I also still ride non assist 2-3 days , just a bike freak .
I have a 7 bikes at the moment and a few are illegal off road monsters . 850 w and 1200 w and are quite heavy. Never liked rear hubs for off road , too unwieldy .
My optibike was crank drive and lasted 5 years with over 50k on it. A new one is $16000. Also it is very difficult when opti are in Colorado and you need support or parts.
My storck cosworth is rear hub but hardtail.
Would like a legal top end full sus as I do ride hard.
I also still ride non assist 2-3 days , just a bike freak .
Also weight is an issue.
Take bikes like the stealth bomber 3000 w but comes in at 115 kg .
Cool in oz or USA where no people live , but technically a mx bike that will just get me prosecuted.
Ktm and ave also have a good spec off roader , but the elycan is hub.
I also like the Bosch or mittel motor.
Take bikes like the stealth bomber 3000 w but comes in at 115 kg .
Cool in oz or USA where no people live , but technically a mx bike that will just get me prosecuted.
Ktm and ave also have a good spec off roader , but the elycan is hub.
I also like the Bosch or mittel motor.
Haibike also has the Rohloff hub . I currently have 2 ebikes with Rohloff and its bomb proof.
A tad heavy but so reliable with the mud and rain we get in the uk
Only change on the haibike would be a black battery
I currently run a 50 t front and a 13 t rear , I would assume this is not available due to power to hub ratio.
Not a deal breaker as its for offroad use
A tad heavy but so reliable with the mud and rain we get in the uk
Only change on the haibike would be a black battery
I currently run a 50 t front and a 13 t rear , I would assume this is not available due to power to hub ratio.
Not a deal breaker as its for offroad use
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I'm not sure Haibike 2013 are offering the 11ah battery.. Best check.
If for off road why not a 350 watt HS version of Bosch drive. again dont think Haibike do one....AVE may be best bet for one of these..the Grace MX S belt drive and nuvinci, probably not enough of an off roader for you but it's a lovely bike and from a Wisper dealer soon.
If for off road why not a 350 watt HS version of Bosch drive. again dont think Haibike do one....AVE may be best bet for one of these..the Grace MX S belt drive and nuvinci, probably not enough of an off roader for you but it's a lovely bike and from a Wisper dealer soon.
Here is a list
I doubt anyone imports them but EBCO I feel sure would get you one...
Google Translate
SH 11 or the XH 7
http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://pedelec-elektro-fahrrad.de/news/speed-pedelecs-mit-bosch-antrieb-fuer-2012/&prev=/search?q=ave++high+speed+350+watt+bosch+e+bike&hl=en&client=safari&tbo=d&sa=X&ei=bpy0UNicHoaZ0QWpo4HICA&ved=0CGIQ7gEwBQ
I doubt anyone imports them but EBCO I feel sure would get you one...
Google Translate
SH 11 or the XH 7
http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://pedelec-elektro-fahrrad.de/news/speed-pedelecs-mit-bosch-antrieb-fuer-2012/&prev=/search?q=ave++high+speed+350+watt+bosch+e+bike&hl=en&client=safari&tbo=d&sa=X&ei=bpy0UNicHoaZ0QWpo4HICA&ved=0CGIQ7gEwBQ
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Cakey and Eddie -
The 2013 Haibikes are all running the 250w Bosch system, obviously if they were to be imported properly into the UK then they should meet the legal requirements (250w) to be used on public roads.
This is not to say this cannot be modified to suit your needs. Personally I think the 250w is substantial enough and should meet most users requirements. Also the weight of the overall bike affects the performance too.
That said I know boys and their toys like the 'Top Trump' aspect of any toy.
And on paper 350w looks better than 250w. We think the Haibikes being well spec'd and lightweight should work really well with the 250w bosch motor, we are very excited to test them. the feedback from others has been great.
As for the overall ebike weight 'cakey' I can confirm the 3 models we are looking to bring in are all around the 20Kg mark. Very nice indeed.
Regards
e-bikeshop
The 2013 Haibikes are all running the 250w Bosch system, obviously if they were to be imported properly into the UK then they should meet the legal requirements (250w) to be used on public roads.
This is not to say this cannot be modified to suit your needs. Personally I think the 250w is substantial enough and should meet most users requirements. Also the weight of the overall bike affects the performance too.
That said I know boys and their toys like the 'Top Trump' aspect of any toy.
And on paper 350w looks better than 250w. We think the Haibikes being well spec'd and lightweight should work really well with the 250w bosch motor, we are very excited to test them. the feedback from others has been great.
As for the overall ebike weight 'cakey' I can confirm the 3 models we are looking to bring in are all around the 20Kg mark. Very nice indeed.
Regards
e-bikeshop
Hi Chaps,
my somewhat more than 2 penn'orth follows. It got longer as I went on!!
I recently got an eQ Xduro FS SE (Haibike °eQ Xduro SE° E-Bike Elektro-Fahrrad Pedelec Bosch Rh 56 | eBay) from Germany for E2700. It's the same spec exactly as the FS RX, but black and red colour scheme which, IMHO, is much better.
I've only had it a couple of (crappy weather) weeks so haven't given it a proper workout yet, but so far, I'm very pleased with it.
It's got a really handy instant saddle height drop lever for serious downhilling, which is sprung so will go back to normal height without having to stop and mess about. Once the shocks are properly set to your weight, the ride is fantastic - way smoother than either my Cannondale or Kalkhoff, and it doesn't seem to waste too much leg power in bouncing the suspension up and down, which was always my reservation about full-sus. It's a high quality frame with very good quality kit. My only mods so far have been
1. to replace Presta tubes with Schrader (Schwalbe) tubes that only needed minimal reaming of the valve hole in the rim, and
2. swop the Fizik Tundra 2 saddle for a Brooks B17. It doesn't look so groovy, but it feels great.
I've still to get fully acquainted with it, but the Bosch system appears to knock spots off the Panasonic on my Kalkhoff in terms of adjustability and flexibility - it sailed up a very steep and slippery track through our local woods which had defeated the Kalkhoff, although to be fair, the Kalkhoff's not a full-on MTB, and I've put a 14t motor sprocket on it, which increases top end assistance at the expense of the bottom end.
Still, the Bosch is really impressive on hills. The only drawbacks I can find are two;
1. There's no easy way to increase top end assistance as with the Kalkhoff, so I'm stuck with the 15 mph cut-off. that said, the Haibike feels a good bit lighter than the Kalkhoff so it's not so hard to keep speed up beyond the assistance level.
2. Top gear is too low so I can't keep up with the pedals over about 27-28 mph. I'm trying to rectify that by putting on a 42t chainring instead of the existing 38t one. It'll hit the bottom end a bit, but the gearing's so low that I think it will actually make it more usable right across the range.
However (if anyone's made it this far), I had to remove the chainring lockring with the aid of a Birmingham screwdriver as I couldn't track down the right size extractor tool, and as a result, whilst it all works fine, I now have a somewhat battle-scarred lockring . The ring is about 5 cm diameter, and I'd be really grateful if anyone could point me to a source of both lockring and tool. I have hunted the web without success so far, and Bosch's website seems to have bits that are only accessible to trade users.
Here endeth the sermon..........
my somewhat more than 2 penn'orth follows. It got longer as I went on!!
I recently got an eQ Xduro FS SE (Haibike °eQ Xduro SE° E-Bike Elektro-Fahrrad Pedelec Bosch Rh 56 | eBay) from Germany for E2700. It's the same spec exactly as the FS RX, but black and red colour scheme which, IMHO, is much better.
I've only had it a couple of (crappy weather) weeks so haven't given it a proper workout yet, but so far, I'm very pleased with it.
It's got a really handy instant saddle height drop lever for serious downhilling, which is sprung so will go back to normal height without having to stop and mess about. Once the shocks are properly set to your weight, the ride is fantastic - way smoother than either my Cannondale or Kalkhoff, and it doesn't seem to waste too much leg power in bouncing the suspension up and down, which was always my reservation about full-sus. It's a high quality frame with very good quality kit. My only mods so far have been
1. to replace Presta tubes with Schrader (Schwalbe) tubes that only needed minimal reaming of the valve hole in the rim, and
2. swop the Fizik Tundra 2 saddle for a Brooks B17. It doesn't look so groovy, but it feels great.
I've still to get fully acquainted with it, but the Bosch system appears to knock spots off the Panasonic on my Kalkhoff in terms of adjustability and flexibility - it sailed up a very steep and slippery track through our local woods which had defeated the Kalkhoff, although to be fair, the Kalkhoff's not a full-on MTB, and I've put a 14t motor sprocket on it, which increases top end assistance at the expense of the bottom end.
Still, the Bosch is really impressive on hills. The only drawbacks I can find are two;
1. There's no easy way to increase top end assistance as with the Kalkhoff, so I'm stuck with the 15 mph cut-off. that said, the Haibike feels a good bit lighter than the Kalkhoff so it's not so hard to keep speed up beyond the assistance level.
2. Top gear is too low so I can't keep up with the pedals over about 27-28 mph. I'm trying to rectify that by putting on a 42t chainring instead of the existing 38t one. It'll hit the bottom end a bit, but the gearing's so low that I think it will actually make it more usable right across the range.
However (if anyone's made it this far
), I had to remove the chainring lockring with the aid of a Birmingham screwdriver as I couldn't track down the right size extractor tool, and as a result, whilst it all works fine, I now have a somewhat battle-scarred lockring . The ring is about 5 cm diameter, and I'd be really grateful if anyone could point me to a source of both lockring and tool. I have hunted the web without success so far, and Bosch's website seems to have bits that are only accessible to trade users.Here endeth the sermon..........
Hi Hugh,
Wow, that was a nice read, sounds like your getting on great with the Haibike so far so good!
What a great write up, thanks!
You should see substantial benefits of changing the 42T ring, Good shout. Let us know how it affects things.
As for the lockring, Im sure any decent engineering firm/forge should be able to help you. Otherwise maybe we could help in the new year if we are to be stocking spares for the Haibike models.
May I ask what steered you towards the Haibike over others?
And also if your decision would have been made easier if there was a decent UK supplier with a good stock hold and access to spares?
Thanks in Advance
Martin
e-bikeshop
Wow, that was a nice read, sounds like your getting on great with the Haibike so far so good!
What a great write up, thanks!
You should see substantial benefits of changing the 42T ring, Good shout. Let us know how it affects things.
As for the lockring, Im sure any decent engineering firm/forge should be able to help you. Otherwise maybe we could help in the new year if we are to be stocking spares for the Haibike models.
May I ask what steered you towards the Haibike over others?
And also if your decision would have been made easier if there was a decent UK supplier with a good stock hold and access to spares?
Thanks in Advance
Martin
e-bikeshop
Hi Again,
'May I ask what steered you towards the Haibike over others?
And also if your decision would have been made easier if there was a decent UK supplier with a good stock hold and access to spares?'
I was doing a mental toss-up between the Haibike (Bosch, looks good, trad. parts list generally) and the Grace (Bosch, good looker, interesting with Gates and NuVinci, but also an unknown). What finally swung it was impulse - I saw the Haibike on German eBay, put in an offer which I thought wouldn't be accepted, and it was! No regrets, as I saved myself a fair old bit over the full cost of either, and actually I feel happier with technology which is basically familiar and fixable by me (i.e chain drive and derailleur).
Decision would have been easier if I knew parts etc were easily available. That said, I've got a fair bit of ( I hope not misguided) faith in German engineering quality, and will be surprised if I get let down. However, I'll keep my fingers crossed for you Martin - it'd be useful to have relatively local access to parts and advice.
Eddie - road so far is good - like I say, not too bouncy and very smooth over traffic humps and stuff. Only drawback is low gearing which my 42t ring should sort well enough.
It's got no mounting points for a rack, as you might expect given its purpose as a mountain bike, but I might lash out on one of those Topeak seat-post racks so I can lug a bit of stuff around when we go to far-flung bits of seaside in Croatia.
Happy Birthday to me ! (it's actually this Friday)
'May I ask what steered you towards the Haibike over others?
And also if your decision would have been made easier if there was a decent UK supplier with a good stock hold and access to spares?'
I was doing a mental toss-up between the Haibike (Bosch, looks good, trad. parts list generally) and the Grace (Bosch, good looker, interesting with Gates and NuVinci, but also an unknown). What finally swung it was impulse - I saw the Haibike on German eBay, put in an offer which I thought wouldn't be accepted, and it was! No regrets, as I saved myself a fair old bit over the full cost of either, and actually I feel happier with technology which is basically familiar and fixable by me (i.e chain drive and derailleur).
Decision would have been easier if I knew parts etc were easily available. That said, I've got a fair bit of ( I hope not misguided) faith in German engineering quality, and will be surprised if I get let down. However, I'll keep my fingers crossed for you Martin - it'd be useful to have relatively local access to parts and advice.
Eddie - road so far is good - like I say, not too bouncy and very smooth over traffic humps and stuff. Only drawback is low gearing which my 42t ring should sort well enough.
It's got no mounting points for a rack, as you might expect given its purpose as a mountain bike, but I might lash out on one of those Topeak seat-post racks so I can lug a bit of stuff around when we go to far-flung bits of seaside in Croatia.
Happy Birthday to me ! (it's actually this Friday)
Hugh -
That's interesting, thanks for your input. I am a true believer in the German stuff to, really makes a difference. Hopefully we will be able to offer you support for the future.
And good idea with the seat post mounted rack, should do the job!
Still would be interesting to know how well your 42T ring change will make.. Keep in touch!
Oh and happy birthday for Friday!
Eddie -
India tour sounds great, got room for one more?
Have fun on your journeys, hey there's always next years birthday for the 3-4 Haibike's ha
Martin
e-bikeshop
That's interesting, thanks for your input. I am a true believer in the German stuff to, really makes a difference. Hopefully we will be able to offer you support for the future.
And good idea with the seat post mounted rack, should do the job!
Still would be interesting to know how well your 42T ring change will make.. Keep in touch!
Oh and happy birthday for Friday!
Eddie -
India tour sounds great, got room for one more?
Have fun on your journeys, hey there's always next years birthday for the 3-4 Haibike's ha
Martin
e-bikeshop
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