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Is Dave at Kudos having a laugh?

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eddieo

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Kudoscycles said:
I am sure its a scam,we are working on advising e-bay.
Dave
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It would help a bit if you clarified if the "Kudos" name is actually your property....
 
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Kudoscycles

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eddieo said:
It would help a bit if you clarified if the "Kudos" name is actually your property....
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Eddie,the photos are my copyright and he has clearly lifted those images without permission. The word 'kudos' cannot be registered as its a generic name,no more than Branson can register 'virgin'.However the phrase 'kudoscycles' can be protected as a domain name,similarly the virgin script style would be registered.
Its a complex area but there is more security in the written word or art images than there is in product design copyright-been there many times,always an expensive legal battle!
At this time am more interested in stopping someone being scammed than worrying about copyright.
Dave
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flecc

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Kudoscycles said:
Eddie,the photos are my copyright and he has clearly lifted those images without permission. The word 'kudos' cannot be registered as its a generic name,no more than Branson can register 'virgin'.However the phrase 'kudoscycles' can be protected as a domain name,similarly the virgin script style would be registered.
Its a complex area but there is more security in the written word or art images than there is in product design copyright-been there many times,always an expensive legal battle!
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And adding capitalisation to the first letter helps with registration, as Microsoft showed long ago with Windows, allowable while windows wasn't.
 
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Geebee said:
Paypal will only give you your money back if they can recover it from the seller, so if the seller hits and runs you get nothing back.

One of their current scams is to sell hundreds of cheap items and get an excellent rating, then sell a lot of expensive item over a short time and run.

Ebay is not a hot bed of scams but there are quite a few popping up lately.
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That's not true any more. You have total protection if the goods don't arrive.
https://www.paypal.com/uk/webapps/mpp/buyer-protection
 
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Jeremy said:
Arguably you don't have any protection when buying an electric bike, though, as they are classed as vehicles and Paypal buyer protection doesn't apply to vehicles. That may well have something to do with this particular scam.
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Ebay don't class bikes/ebikes as vehicles. There's special requirements for listing vehicles that don't apply to ebikes. Ebikes are classified as sporting goods.
 
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Jeremy

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d8veh said:
Ebay don't class bikes/ebikes as vehicles. There's special requirements for listing vehicles that don't apply to ebikes. Ebikes are classified as sporting goods.
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Yes, if they are indeed ebikes, although even then in UK law a bicycle is a vehicle, just not a motor vehicle. In this case it may be that ebay might accept that the Kudos wasn't a vehicle, but a bicycle, because it meets the EU definition of a bicycle. I doubt this would apply to the HPC that the same vendor is selling, though. This is on ebay.co.uk, so I would presume that ebay has to abide by UK law, which would definitely classify the HPC ebike as a motor vehicle.

Some lucky (!) soul has just won it for £375 with free shipping from China, and I'll eat my hat if he actually gets a Kudos ebike for that price.
 
Scimitar

Scimitar

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d8veh said:
If nothing arrives, you're totally protected by Paypal provided that you follow their dispute procedures.
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Only if the seller was stupid enough to not immediately clear their account out. PP will do nothing apart from shrug their shoulders and say 'sorry, no funds to pay you with'.
 
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I was wondering how much it cost to send the bike back when you ge one substantially different to the advert. TNT quoted £372!
 
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Shroppielass

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The seller of the "Kudos" bike now has feedback of -1 and the 'buyer's' comment
"Con man, keep trying I've got plenty of time to waste on the likes of you!" ;) :D
 
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I've changed my mind now. They're definitely scamming.
 
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electric_avenue

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Scimitar said:
Only if the seller was stupid enough to not immediately clear their account out. PP will do nothing apart from shrug their shoulders and say 'sorry, no funds to pay you with'.
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No they won't. They stick to the rules of their own buyer protection policy. Its tried and tested. Ebay knocking seems to be as popular as royal mail knocking these days.
 
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