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Baz the balloon man

Esteemed Pedelecer
Jul 17, 2024
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Are they crushing the wrong bikes?
Probably take for instance Bird Bikes Sold by major high street retailers.

Bird went bust so now owners who can not get a replacement battery are left with a choice if they can not find a used replacement.

Scrap the bike or try to put on a road legal kit .

What is a road legal kit when you are talking to a copper , if you can a find one these days .

But is it actually road legal if cops just say “ This has been modified “ or Who is the manufacturer ie where is a manufacturer’s plate then what they are doing is making DIY builds illegal by default .

As usual in this country a really good thing is being spoiled by a minority so nanny state comes in with a one size fits all .

Or as very surprising on James Obrain ( not a misspelling) on LBC the other day let’s put insurance , number plates ECT on cycle’s .
Or something that can do a whole 15MPH for little cost ie let’s work out how to tax it a bit like widow tax hundred years ago .

What’s the point of ditching the car ? Let’s all drive 4x4 Chelsea tractors avoid bumps and drive straight at cyclists to avoid bumps with off road suspension that costs thousands of pounds .
 

Baz the balloon man

Esteemed Pedelecer
Jul 17, 2024
401
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Why?
Privately owned E Scooters are illegal. End off. What else is needed?
The law concerning eapc's is concise though much mis-understood , mis- quoted and mis-interpreted.
Perhaps we all need to carry printed copies of the actual law. Does a version with the correct terminology and authoritive provenance actually exist?
Nanny state as is our laws
 

flecc

Member
Oct 25, 2006
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Perhaps we all need to carry printed copies of the actual law. Does a version with the correct terminology and authoritive provenance actually exist?
Not in one document.

First there is exemption (h) in Type Approval law which qualifies an EAPC to be a bicycle in law:

(h) pedal cycles with pedal assistance which are equipped with
an auxiliary electric motor having a maximum continuous
rated power of less than or equal to 250 W, where the
output of the motor is cut off when the cyclist stops
pedalling and is otherwise progressively reduced and
finally cut off before the vehicle speed reaches 25 km/h;


Then there are the labelling rules which are fragmented. However here is an authoritive statement from the DfT:

Confirmed as below by James Brown, International Vehicle Standards, Department for Transport:

"As part of the GB EAPC amending legislation, that will come into force on 6 April 2015, the requirement for the marking identification has been amended. Previously a plate showing the manufacturer, maximum continuous rated power output and voltage was necessary, from April 6 2015 the requirement will be that the manufacturer, maximum continuous rated output and maximum assisted cutoff speed shall be marked on the cycle."

This should be in the form of a plate or permanent label bearing all three items of information, mounted in a prominent easily read location on the bicycle.

Then there's EAPC throttles permitted by type approval, the proof of this included in the relevant type approval manual.

Then there's grandfather rights that permits EAPCs legally supplied before 1st January 2016 to indefinitely retain any throttle they already had, no formal statement available.

Finally there's the definition of maximum continuous rated power contained in technical document EN 15194, making it clear there is no actual legal limit to the wattage power available of an EAPC.

Mostly beyond a police officers pay grade understanding.
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Sparksandbangs

Pedelecer
Jan 16, 2025
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lincspolice
Over the past few months, we have seen an increase in reports of e-bikes being used illegally in Lincoln city centre. Our Neighbourhood Policing Team (NPT) have run a recent operation on e-bikes in the city as part of Neighbourhood Policing Week.

https://www.tiktok.com/@lincspolice/video/7520244478267936022
The old wheel off the floor test. I would have thought unnecessary with the obvious dinner plate.